Posted on Sep 17, 2018
Is calling a Master Sergeant by their full rank showing higher respect, or is just extra?
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I know what the regulation states, and that is that E-5 through E-8 (except for 1SG) is addressed as Sergeant. However, I continually see soldiers addressing MSGs by their full rank. Is it a sign of higher respect for the rank they earned, or is just being extra? I can see both sides of the argument - regulation vs respect towards the rank they have obtained - I want to hear all your thoughts!
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I retired as MSG, every body from E-1 to O-6 called me by Master Sargent , now retired , they still call me Master Sargent
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It's just extra, and outside the regulations. AR 600-20 Army Command Policy Table 1-1 lists the proper address for all ranks. The proper address for a MSG is "Sergeant".
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We call a navy E 9 a master chief. We don't say their entire rank master chief Petty officer. I believe it's respectful to say master sgt. As well not calling a master chief just a chief.
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When I was a cadet at ROTC Advance Camp (1994), there was a movement a foot to call NCOs by their entire rank and not just "Sergeant". I inferred the collective Army wanted to fall in line with the USMC who, if I understand correctly, conduct this practice of addressing their NCOs in this manner. Except for Gunny... its just Gunny. Now, I did that to an Army MSG at camp and he went off the hook. After I explained what I heard and read, he relaxed a bit but it was like I just some slur. Over the years I haven't seen this trend really take off. Maybe its just for the junior enlisted and not so much in the officer ranks. Either way, there should be no repercussion because you use the entire title. I find saying the full title a term of endearment. Some NCOs like it. Some look at you funny. Maybe saying "sergeant first class" over and over again can get annoying, but "staff sergeant" and "master sergeant" isn't that hard to say. I guess in perspective, it would be like saying, "Yes, Lieutenant Colonel", "No, Lieutenant Colonel". That just sounds dumb. There is a thing called a phone colonel, where the LTC says "Colonel Jones speaking" when answering and not identifying themselves as a LTC. Its a faux pas and frowned upon in the officer ranks. When you make Master Sergeant, let us know what you like to be called.
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only ones I ever gave full name to was 1st sgt and csm.. all others were just sergeant. e-5 to e-8.. even the csm was sergeant major so and so.
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I say MSG is appropriate granted you have a long enough history of the MSG leadership and know him as a proven Senior NCO. You have the courtesy and respect to address him or her as Master SGT. There is nothing out of line with that. Now if you are not too sure of the MSG and just want to show common ground respect, then I agree SGT is sufficient enough from SGT to MSG.
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Personally I've always have used the full rank. I feel its a respect thing most I have worked with deserved but none have never made anyone use.
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In the Marine Corps you wouldn’t dare call a Master Sgt Anything other than that. An E-5 Sergeant is the only rank you call Sergeant. If you see a Staff Sergeant you would say “good morning, afternoon, or evening, or just “Rah” Staff Sergeant. They earned their rank and deserve the respect of the rank they are. I went to MOS School at Fort Lee VA, and saw over and over Army Pvt’s and Pfc’s calling SSGT, and SFC just “Sergeant”. At first I was super confused and didn’t understand, but I Asked one of the soldiers in my class and he told me that E-5 through E-7 can be referred to as Sergeant. Like I said I have no issue with it, you guys have your customs and courtesies and we have ours. But this is good to know for you in case you ever come in contact with a Marine Corps SSGT, GySgt, and above, because if you call them Sergeant get ready for a world of hurt. Just wanted to give you the Marine Corps side of it. Oorah, Re-enlist
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TSgt Daniel Lediard
I do not understand why the Marines are so full of themselves. Never did understand and never cared to understand. Traditions can be absurd if used excessively.
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The Top Three (E7-E9) are Senior NCOs as such they deserve to be addressed by their full rank. Try calling a Chief Master Sgt a ,Sergeant, and see what happens.
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