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Do it with them and there won't be any discussions. When I was a Corporal and didn't have much experience really leading Marines I really preferred making my Marines pay physically than administratively for I believed most Marines needed to feel their mistakes and not have a piece a paper they'll toss in the trash. To avoid this whole hazing thing, I just ensured I could PT harder than my Marines and when they jacked up we PT'd to stupid fatigue. But this was me as a young leader taking after how my NCO's were.

As a SNCO now, I will push paperwork since it's a more professional approach but I push my Corporals and Sergeants to take care of things at their level, ensuring the punishment fits the crime, and that it's constructive and makes sense.
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You're good $#$t SSGT. That's a great point. I was out out Miramar cira. 2001-2003.
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Thanks Sir!
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Best answer yet thanks SSgt.
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I'm here for you!
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Tightytannies
I think forcing anyone to wear tighty tannies is humilitating and degrading.
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Calm down satan.
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SSG Kenneth Ponder
SSG Kenneth Ponder
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Jockey shorts ain't regulation.
They're not issued, Spc. Dirtball.
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SFC Ballard,<div><br></div><div>1) If you call it a "smoke session", if you "smoke" them, etc, then yes, that is hazing.</div><div>2) If you do it by FM 7-22, then no. There are 8 recommended exercises to be conducted in cadence at five reps each. As long as you stay with FM 7-22, then you can provide Physical Corrective Training and have yourself covered if that individual goes to IG.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd be sure to double check with post regulation on the matter though. Some installations have different policies in place in regards to this issue. Again though, do not use the word "smoke" or it's variations. That is what will get you in trouble.</div><div><br></div><div>V/r</div><div>SGT Mullet</div>
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
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I’m not Army.. (AF). I think the actual Reg would outweigh base policy. I suppose works best would be the way to go.. if you think Post policy is too ‘pantywaist’ follow the
Army Reg.. it would have more weight.. I was a cook(SSGt 62270, Cook/Baker Supervisor). I did assign remedial OJT via sanitation
Of food service equipment. With a test to follow maybe if it didn’t sink in.. like rule says ‘you do it with them’ I showed them using the scrubby/green pad cloth and soapy water then I watched for a bit and did some writing on the Sr. Cook/Baker requisition form. One Airman complained saying I only did it for a few minutes(true, I explained I showed him how it was to be done ... scrubbing up under the lip of the kettle and the body of the kettle and knobs .. pipes.. and let them take it from there.. I stayed with them throughout and did paperwork while I supervised.. my super accepted my explanation of the procedure.. and let it go.. he seen no Further investigation need be done and closed it.. He asked me if it was satisfactory accomplished and I said it was..
and he told the Airman that I saved him the grief of a letter going in his jacket and he should be satisfied with that.. so he accepted that he lost his argument.. later... about a month,Zheng asked to change teams.. my opposite or fellow team leader imposed OJT and a letter.. and he yold the Airman he’s fortunate to be on SSGT Herrst’s team.. I appreciated that.. commendation.. paperwork just makes work for everybody up and down the chain of command.. and I seen that as a waste of my time, the AF’s time and the Airman’s Time..
much more can usually be accomplished by remedial OJT
(Equipment maintenance/ sanitation) You Army, Marine Comrades can use what ever I you think will accomplish the end result(s).. within your Service branch SOPs.. and a Merry 2017 Christmas to all of you Comrades !
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Sgt Raymond Mirabile
Sgt Raymond Mirabile
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Bunch of Wussies....
I was in The Crotch from 63'-'69...Got out as a Sgt. E- 5....Never heard such cry baby crap in my entire hitch.
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SP5 Gary Smith
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Bunch of pussies. No wonder we keep losing wars.
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SPC Brian Cook
SPC Brian Cook
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Sad, sad, now I'm dating myself. To many SNOWFLAKES!
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