Posted on Mar 24, 2019
Is it bad to not claim a child as a dependent?
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If a childs mother doesnt let you put child on DEERS is it a problem in the long run? Will the soldier get in trouble?
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Child's mother won't let you? That's not an option. The child is your dependent, and youre responsible for it. You take that birth certificate to DEERS and enroll the child. Then you enroll your child in tricare and tricare dental. Whether you'll get in trouble should be the least of your worries, you need to provide medical coverage for your child. The only time this doesn't apply is if the child's mother already has them enrolled in DEERS under someone else.
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Spot on advice from everyone here.
If you are on that birth certificate which if you pay child support you are go to the town he was born in and get a certified copy of the BC then SS card. You need ID ect the town will tell you what you need. I am not a lawyer, But I would document everything that happens save money up and get yourself a lawyer. I did that back in 2003 and have had full custody of my daughter since. Go to your NCOs ect for some advice but first and foremost remember this is your child do what is right by them.
If you are on that birth certificate which if you pay child support you are go to the town he was born in and get a certified copy of the BC then SS card. You need ID ect the town will tell you what you need. I am not a lawyer, But I would document everything that happens save money up and get yourself a lawyer. I did that back in 2003 and have had full custody of my daughter since. Go to your NCOs ect for some advice but first and foremost remember this is your child do what is right by them.
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Thank you all for the solid advice. I already made an appointment for the naturalzation Office in downtown and all I have to bring is a state ID and answer a few questions about the child and they print a Copy. and i just called the Social Security Office and all they need is his BC and they send me a copy of his SSC. now the question is am I going to need the child for photo purposes at the DDERS office?
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LCpl Ferdinand Hughes
to piggyback off of the comments. you are the father and your name is on the BC, I have copies of all my children's BC. You pay child support and if you have a visitation order through the courts then she can't refuse/deny you to see your children.
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LCpl Ferdinand Hughes
Jus remember, the courts will always look out for what's best for the child's interesst/well being.
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So the childs mother has no say in letting you put your child into DEERS. If you are on that childs BC then it is your right to put that child into DEERS she cannot tell you no. Now if you don't have an official certified BC and SSN then you wont be able to and then that is where the COURTS will come into effect. But that is absurd especially with medical ect for your child. Get a lawyer and fight for your Child's rights.
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Thank you Ssg, I just dont understand why she is so agaisnt me when it has nothing to do with me and her.
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There is a risk to you, and may be theoretically risk to the child if it isn't covered by health insurance.
"Assumptions" based on your post:
1. She is petty (your words, not mine).
2. Your name was put on the birth certificate (BC), and you did not challenge your name on the BC within any specific time period that may be required by your state, so paternity is acknowledged/established.
3. Were something to happen to you on active duty, there may be benefits that the child could be eligible for, but would have a more difficult time obtaining if not already in DEERS.
In addition to speaking with JAG, consider reading AR 600-99, chapter 2, and appendix B.
You can Google how to obtain a copy of a birth certificate for the state in which the child was born, and obtain a certified copy (normally raised seal). You will require an official copy of the BC for most any action with any government agency, including the military.
Once you obtain a copy of the BC, you can visit a Social Security office for the documents required to obtain the SSN of your child.
Petty people do petty things. If you provide not support, she could wait for a couple of years, and then file a claim for back child support. That would likely mean trouble for you, and it would be a financial liability.
You should Google child support requirements for a father on the BC without a court order for support in the state in which the child resides. Even without a court order, since you didn't oppose your name on the BC, you may have met the legal requirement for that state, and therefore, the military, of paternity. You can Google what the time limits to oppose your name on the BC for that state.
Medical care isn't cheap, and IMO, everyone can benefit from regular checkups. Additionally, life happens, and sometimes people need emergency medical care. Medical care is very expensive. You may (or may not) end up with a financial liability, especially if an emergency arises. I'm not an attorney, and that's who can best explain such a risk, if any.
AR 600-99 requires Soldiers to provide support for your child, but my reading of AR 600-99 leads me to believe that there is not action, unless there is an inquiry (by the child's mother).
This example in appendix B seems to fit your circumstances:
B-1. Example 2. Assume the same facts as in example 1, except that the acknowledgement of paternity consisted of his agreement to being named as the father on the birth certificate when the child was born a year ago. The father has not raised any subsequent challenge to the validity of the birth certificate. The state law where the birth occurred will determine resolution of the support issue. If, as in many states, agreeing to being listed as the father and not challenging the document within a specified number of days is the judicial equivalent of a court order establishing paternity, then there would be a legal order establishing paternity pursuant to paragraph 2–2b. The soldier would have an obligation to provide support to that dependent child. Since there is no court order establishing the amount of the child support, the soldier will provide the appropriate support required under paragraph 2–6.
I didn't see an example in 2-6 that fits your scenario, but that is a question for SJA to answer for you.
I encourage you to obtain a *certified* copy of the BC and keep it with important documents in a fireproof/resistant bag at a minimum, obtain the SSN, and then enroll the child in DEERS. I also encourage you to seek SJA's advice. Note that the Court Martial Convening Authority in your chain of command can give you an exception to policy with regard to financial support, which may provide you protection from pettiness.
"Assumptions" based on your post:
1. She is petty (your words, not mine).
2. Your name was put on the birth certificate (BC), and you did not challenge your name on the BC within any specific time period that may be required by your state, so paternity is acknowledged/established.
3. Were something to happen to you on active duty, there may be benefits that the child could be eligible for, but would have a more difficult time obtaining if not already in DEERS.
In addition to speaking with JAG, consider reading AR 600-99, chapter 2, and appendix B.
You can Google how to obtain a copy of a birth certificate for the state in which the child was born, and obtain a certified copy (normally raised seal). You will require an official copy of the BC for most any action with any government agency, including the military.
Once you obtain a copy of the BC, you can visit a Social Security office for the documents required to obtain the SSN of your child.
Petty people do petty things. If you provide not support, she could wait for a couple of years, and then file a claim for back child support. That would likely mean trouble for you, and it would be a financial liability.
You should Google child support requirements for a father on the BC without a court order for support in the state in which the child resides. Even without a court order, since you didn't oppose your name on the BC, you may have met the legal requirement for that state, and therefore, the military, of paternity. You can Google what the time limits to oppose your name on the BC for that state.
Medical care isn't cheap, and IMO, everyone can benefit from regular checkups. Additionally, life happens, and sometimes people need emergency medical care. Medical care is very expensive. You may (or may not) end up with a financial liability, especially if an emergency arises. I'm not an attorney, and that's who can best explain such a risk, if any.
AR 600-99 requires Soldiers to provide support for your child, but my reading of AR 600-99 leads me to believe that there is not action, unless there is an inquiry (by the child's mother).
This example in appendix B seems to fit your circumstances:
B-1. Example 2. Assume the same facts as in example 1, except that the acknowledgement of paternity consisted of his agreement to being named as the father on the birth certificate when the child was born a year ago. The father has not raised any subsequent challenge to the validity of the birth certificate. The state law where the birth occurred will determine resolution of the support issue. If, as in many states, agreeing to being listed as the father and not challenging the document within a specified number of days is the judicial equivalent of a court order establishing paternity, then there would be a legal order establishing paternity pursuant to paragraph 2–2b. The soldier would have an obligation to provide support to that dependent child. Since there is no court order establishing the amount of the child support, the soldier will provide the appropriate support required under paragraph 2–6.
I didn't see an example in 2-6 that fits your scenario, but that is a question for SJA to answer for you.
I encourage you to obtain a *certified* copy of the BC and keep it with important documents in a fireproof/resistant bag at a minimum, obtain the SSN, and then enroll the child in DEERS. I also encourage you to seek SJA's advice. Note that the Court Martial Convening Authority in your chain of command can give you an exception to policy with regard to financial support, which may provide you protection from pettiness.
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add it.no trouble as long as he/she is your child. any law on earth you can defend especially your dna is with the child
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Why on earth would she not want the kid registered in deers? Are you two married or together? Who has custody?
I'm not sure of the process but do you even need her to put the child in deers?
Not to be disrespectful but... is the child yours and are you sure? That is the first thi g that comes to mind is she doesn't want it in the system because it is not yours. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but anything is possible.
I'm not sure of the process but do you even need her to put the child in deers?
Not to be disrespectful but... is the child yours and are you sure? That is the first thi g that comes to mind is she doesn't want it in the system because it is not yours. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but anything is possible.
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shes super immature and is against the government (shes one of those)....still not the answer to why i cant put the baby on DEERS but shes petty like that. as far as i know i dont think i need her to put the child on DEERS. The child is mine im on the BC but no DNA has been filed for approval on that. If i knew how to get the BC and SSC id go get it and do it.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SGT(P) (Join to see) - get the BC first. https://www.vitalchek.com/vital-records
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Yes... it could come back to haunt you at a later date...
A Security Background investigation Would Throw A monkey Wrench in The Gears... as If You were Trying To Hide Something...
Go To Jag Or Legal Affairs For Best And Most Up to Date Rules Regulations And interpatient Of The Laws...
This is A Serious CYA … Call Your attorney... The Mother Has No Authority If You Are In The Military And the Father... Just Went Thru This With My Daughter...
A Security Background investigation Would Throw A monkey Wrench in The Gears... as If You were Trying To Hide Something...
Go To Jag Or Legal Affairs For Best And Most Up to Date Rules Regulations And interpatient Of The Laws...
This is A Serious CYA … Call Your attorney... The Mother Has No Authority If You Are In The Military And the Father... Just Went Thru This With My Daughter...
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i already went through an interview. And have another one coming up. I definately want to get an attorney because shes very petty and doesnt know how to act like an adult.
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Easy answer the child has a right to benefits and should be enrolled into deers. Now to address some of your other problems. if you were not able to see your child for 4 years, can not get documentation from the custodial parent that you require it is way past time to have official arrangements. made. Local JAG can give great advice and help with paperwork; they cannot file on your behalf or represent you in a civilian matter. It's time to go through official legal methods to establish support, custody and visitation. Or we could all be going the wrong way with this and you may not have a concern for the child; you just want to make sure your required boxes are checked so you don't get in trouble.
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Makes it rather hard to support the child medically. I would get her objection in writing just in case
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