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Is learning the foreign language a requirement for your MOS? If it is, then until you have completed DLI, you are NOT MOSQ and therefore still fall under IET status. Why is this a concern? Are you not getting certain freedoms and liberties that others are getting? If that is the case, then may I suggest you NOT worry about what others are doing/getting and just focus on your training.
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I’m a 35M. And I don’t need a language. I am MOSQ, I’m still considered iet simply because I haven’t gone to a unit yet. Even though people that I’ve gone to basic and ait with at the same time are no longer iet because they are guard or reserve and went home for a week or two. So now I can no longer associate with them even tho I’m on their same level.
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COL Senior; Advanced Strategic Leadership Studies Program   Cgsc Sams
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PFC James Downey - sounds like it has not changed for 30 years...exact same standards as when I went through that program in 1988. Welcome to the Army - when you get to your first FORSCOM Unit, you will no longer be an IET Soldier.
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COL Senior; Advanced Strategic Leadership Studies Program   Cgsc Sams
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Oh...and if you go to Airborne School on your way to Fort Bragg....you are still an IET soldier...I sucked that one up too.
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SGT Justin Chiang
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Anyone who enlisted as a 35M before the language became an MOS requirement is grandfathered in, and technically won't need it to be in compliance for their career. You're probably seeing some of the guys who made the smart call and volunteered for DLI so they would have more career opportunities.

By the book, as new as you are, you aren't a 35M yet, and a lot of the old hands are going to look at you funny when you get to your first duty station look like you pin 4 out the gate. Its OK, there will still be booze and poor decisions to make after you get your 2/2.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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You are IET until you reach your first duty assignment
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Respectfully, I've been unable to find anything in regulation that defines an IET soldier as anything other than a soldier yet to attain MOS qualification. Even 350-6 states "Individuals are considered IET status until they graduate and are awarded a Military Occupational Specialty (MOS)." If there's something I'm missing somewhere that states otherwise though, I'd definitely want to know.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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PFC (Join to see) - I've seen this work in reverse. A soldier graduates and reports to her first duty assignment. She goes back to see people in another cycle graduate. Conducts a movement to contact with one, UCMJ for fraternizing, i.e. A relationship between IET and permanent party, which is verboten.

If you are at DLI, are you still in Tradoc? without out going to another MACOM (like a Forscom unit) in between?
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My daughter went through this a couple of years ago. Yes, you are in IET status throughout DLI and through the follow-on course at San Angelo. She spent nearly 3 years on IET. Sucks a lot but it's just part of the deal.
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Is it in accordance with TRADOC Regulation 350-6 that 35Ms, post-completion of MOS training, are still considered IET status while at DLI?
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You are considered IET status until you have been to your first duty station. MOS status is irrelevant, at least back in 2009 when I left the Army after 3 years as a Platoon SGT in C Co
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SSG Lyle O'Rorke
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Just suck it up if your not in B Company, unless they have drastically changed IET status at DLI is a joke due to the nature of the installation and its location. You do PT on the Along the beach, off post is fun and easily accessible, they have minimal supervision and rules it's nothing like Huachuca. Just learn your language and don't get dropped, because if your MOS is made language dependent and you wash out your no longer qualified. You become nerds of the army.
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SSG Robert Webster
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That could depend upon the situation. Also check pages 113 and 114 in the linked copy.

Probably yes.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/regs/tr350-6.pdf
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What confuses me is that the Appendix covering DLI specifically seems to be at odds with Section 1-4, at the top of page 11 where it states "(b) Specific for enlisted Soldiers, IMT ends when the aspiring Army professional graduates from AIT or OSUT and is determined to be qualified by the branch or functional proponent to perform his/her MOS skills.".
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SSG Robert Webster
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PFC (Join to see) - You failed to read and understand the information in Appendix D on page 114, specifically:
d. Phase V+ begins at the completion of Phase V for 35P Soldiers and upon arrival at DLIFLC for MOS 35M Soldiers who have not been to their first duty station. This phase focuses on language education and Army resilience tasks in preparation for transitioning Soldiers to the operational force. Phase V+ Soldiers are afforded most of the privileges and restrictions as permanent party Soldiers.
Then you need to go back to page 60 and review Table 4-1. IAW Table 4-1, you as a 35M without having been to an initial unit of assignment are still considered a Trainee in IET, though you have met the IMT requirements.

To put it simply - Yes, you are still in IET status until you complete the DLI course that you are there to attend. And no, you may not necessarily have the same rights and privileges as some of your classmates, because you are actually in a different status. I am sure that is not what you wanted to hear but it is correct. And do not push the issue, doing that could cause some of the future rights and privileges to be delayed or not given at all. If you do decide to push the issue, one - make sure that you are in the right and correct, two - realize that your instructors and other cadre may be in a future unit with you and may be your supervisor/leader.
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PFC (Join to see) TR 350-6 Appx D-1 c (1) Therefore, DLIFLC is not considered an AIT. MOS 35P and MOS 35M Soldiers remain in IET status until successful completion of both DLIFLC and AIT.

I gave the reference so you can check it out in the regulation you are quoting from.

Instead of trying to justify being a careerist(MOS-T for big Army), you should probably find specific reasons why you want privileges that careerist have and be able to justify them. The only difference between 35M and 35P is that if a SM fails their language; as a 35P the SM is no longer a 35P. Therefore, the MOS training is after whereas for 35M it is before.

There is a lot more to the military than not having a battle buddy and being able to drink. I get this question on a daily basis, so I'm not surprised to find it here. Try to explain the whole situation, give me the risks, benefits and other detailed information. I have no problem bringing it up through the chain of command, but I have yet to get a good reason why 35M should be careerists.
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Considering some of the stories I've heard about that place, it might be a good thing to be on lock down with some supervision...
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CPL Jeremy Glenn
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Don’t worry about that crap. Focus on your training and get through it. There is plenty of time for all that stuff after you get MOSQ
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Yes no.

Depending on the length of your language training. Howe. You still have to go BACK through Phase IV, Phase V, and Phase V+. Why. Because you are still considered a trainee by Mother Army, it does not matter what 350-6 says or does not say. You are still a Private, I highly suggest you listen to,the leadership there as to what you can or cannot so.

In the meantime, you need to focus on graduating Huachuca first.
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I just graduated DLI as a careerist and by the verbiage in the policy on DLI, by all technicality the 35Ms who had graduated AIT were careerists as they had completed all mandatory training for their MOS requirements. Until now that is. Since we are now a language dependent MOS once again, that will change and the 35Ms will be IET until completion of DLI AND AIT as they are both now mandatory to be MOS qualified. We were in a gray area for a really long time when they removed our language dependency away. Expect things while you are in to not always go the way you think they should but understand it's no difference than in the civilian work force. As a DLI student you have an amazing opportunity the vast majority in the military will never get to have. Take that opportunity and deal with the difficult parts in stride.
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