Posted on Sep 19, 2015
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So, this girl is 19, 4 months TIS and made Tech. Sgt (E-6) already. Typo? Misprint? Or horrible lapse in judgement?

Has anyone else heard about this?

http://www.usafband.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123449378
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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Many folks on this post are getting a little too upset about this.

First of all, its pretty standard in all services for a musician of her caliber. Second, don't confuse rank with authority. While she has the rank, but she clearly has no authority. In most cases, rank and authority or equal. However, in other cases, such as military law enforcement, rank and authority are not equal. As a Army MP many moons ago, they taught of a phrase in MP School, "Don't confuse your rank with my authority."

Its really not a big deal folks.
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MSgt Tricare Oerations And Patient Administration Flight Chief
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SrA (Join to see) She is not a "girl"; she is an Airman. This is a disrespectful post.
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MSgt Superintendent, Information Operations
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The only thing she did to merit wearing the rank of a Non-Commissioned Officer was to win an audition. I'm guessing that the USAF didn't make her cram in BMT, ALS, and NCOA in those four months. I also think that Technical Training probably consisted of vocal lessons and stage presence.
This promotion is likely contingent on her remaining in the AFSC for the duration of her career. It seems unlikely that they'd let her retrain into, say, crew chief as an E-6 until she had enough TIS to actually wear the rank in the real Air Force.

While I do believe that this is the standard for the USAF Band members, I think that most of us can agree that it also belittles the time, sacrifice, and efforts put forth by those that spent YEARS earning that rank. When we reward individuals with rank on the basis of sheer talent before their career has barely begun, it devalues the rank.
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She will remain in this AFSC for her career. Our career field, the band, is undermanned as it is. Rarely, if anybody, is let go from the career field. She was not required to do ALS and NCOA during BMT, but she will still be required to do both ALS and NCOA soon.

Most of the people who come into the premier band at E-6 already has a degree in music of some sort... Bachelors, Masters, Doctorate... so why shouldn't they reward us for what we've accomplished BEFORE we come into the Air Force, not on the AF's dime, on our own?
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MSgt Superintendent, Information Operations
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I'm sure that it's difficult to recruit and maintain talent in such a small pool of individuals. ALS and NCOA are separate levels of PME beyond BMT, and I'm glad that she'll get to attend them both.

I think that the main reason for the "hub bub" comes from a lack of understanding on that AFSC with those of us outside of it. I know that several commissioned AFSCs provide rank as an additional incentive for those with professional degrees to enter into service. While TSgt Quintello doesn't fall into that particular situation, her talent has made her a very unique case in the Air Force, and she should be proud of that.
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A lot of people enlist with prior accomplishments - where's there stripes?
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MSgt Superintendent, Information Operations
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AB (Join to see) - *where are their stripes?

If you have at least 45 college credit hours, the USAF will promote you at the end of BMT to A1C. Unfortunately, unless you're in a specialized career field like TSgt Quintello, that's usually all you can get. I've known some individuals with Master's degrees that couldn't earn a commission and enlisted because they needed a job.
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Cpl Greg Berman
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The old saying " It not what you know but who you blow " sure comes to mind.
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Amn John Dixon
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I really don't think that is warranted in this case.
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SFC Operations Ncoic
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A little more explanation:

Each branch of the United States military—Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard—employs several full-time music ensembles. There are two types of groups:

1) Premier bands. Ensemble members have a guaranteed post, without the worry about being transferred elsewhere. Hired musicians are immediately awarded the rank of E6 (rankings range from E1 to E9—higher is better). The 10 premier military bands are housed in Washington DC or attached to the service’s Academy: Annapolis, West Point, Colorado Springs, etc.

2) Regional bands. While some members stay with the same group for years, reassignment to other ensembles occurs due to manning shortages or openings in overseas bands. Entering status is determined by educational background, as is the case with most everyone else in the enlisted force. Musicians with college credit often begin at the rank of E3. Regional groups are housed on bases across the country and abroad.

The term band here does not mean wind band or marching band. In fact, most of these groups are umbrella organizations consisting of several performing ensembles. For example, the US Army Field Band consists of a concert band, chorus, big band, and pop combo. The US Air Force Band oversees six entities, including a string orchestra, chorus (cleverly entitled Singing Sergeants), brass band, and big band. Large ensemble members are often assigned to chamber groups as well, spanning the gamut of styles and instrumentations: Dixieland, baroque, Celtic, rock, pop, country/western, brass/woodwind quintets, etc.

Source: http://www.savvymusician.com/blog/2010/02/military-jobs/
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
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Don't forget Division Bands. Besides their music, they defend Division HQ and help the Div MPs with POWs.
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TSgt Services
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I believe that if she decides to change jobs, she will be demoted to a rank more fitting for her TIS at that time.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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TSgt (Join to see), that is one of the possible actions that can been taken per the AFI.
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LTC Stephen F.
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No I had not seen anything about this SrA (Join to see) . That is an amazing promotion rate. If she has some very unique skills that are both needed and in very short supply this speedy promotion may make sense.
As a USAF band member I expect she had much experience prior to joining the USAF. Similar to Doctors and Lawyers who come in at O-3 at least many times, I think band members are lured to the military with a higher than baseline salary expectation.
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SFC Judith Storm
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Don't know about Air Force or Navy, but getting into an Army band requires a great deal of skill with your instrument, especially the less popular musical instruments like oboes, bassoons, tubas. As unit clerk/supply clerk for an Army band, I was there for many hopeful wannabe military band members. Not only do you need verified training, but the audition is extremely difficult - sight reading complicated scores by Puccini, Prokiev, Tichawfsky (wrong spelling, I know) and not the music these composers are best known for like Swan Lake! Grading is on tonal quality, accuracy of timing and beat, feeling (not rote - a truly good musician makes you feel the music) and other factors. Remember, band members play any time, any place, any weather, from swing to gospel to Dixieland to classical and on and on and sometimes get the music menu just hours before performing. Imagine running a 25K when you're used to running 15 to 20K, with an hours notice. Band members are unique and most end up in major symphonies and orchestras when they get out.
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PO2 Nick Burke
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Yeah, imagine working 24 and carry on in the field with no notice.
As for learning the music. ....That sounds a lot like learning an MOS and watch stations OJT.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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SFC Judith Storm - As a recruiter I can confirm that. It was a very tough audition. I put one in once. He went to basic as an E4. Special skills deserve special treatment.
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SFC Army Musician
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SrA (Join to see) - It does if you're joining a musical unit.
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CMSgt Dave Patterson
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Yes, read the instructions folks. All Band member start as TSgts. Unlike a regular enlistment, you audition to join. If you are an E-2 and think you have talent...audition. Bands are a formal part of customs and courtesies, they do more than make good music for the troops. They provide music for funerals, diplomats, presidential events to name just a few.
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SSgt Jet Engine Mechanic
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I think I would revert back to what I was taught by some very wise NCO's when I first entered the Air Force. Concern yourself with what you are in control of to change and make better, embrace the suck that trickles from above and press on with pride.
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I am late to the party as well, but I find it sad that there are almost 800 comments from people who have no clue what they are talking about. The only band members that get promoted to the rank of E-6 directly from boot camp are the ones who have auditioned and been accepted into a premier band in DC. Other band members who aren't assigned to a premier band usually end up at a regional band starting out as an E-3. I'm talking people with Bachelors, Masters and even some with Docotorate degrees. They do not get rank by being in the lead/solo chair, they test just like everyone else. People really should do their homework before they spew such nonsense.
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SGT Project Engineer
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I think also that people look at it from the standpoint that I am coming from. I am anyone. This 19 year old outranks me, makes more money than me (if I was active duty), and yet she has done nothing in and for the military.. cocmpared to a guy like me that has fought, gone through the recommended developmental schools, paid my dues...

I have read and understood - but I certainly does not agree with the fact that it exists.
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SSG Army Musician
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SGT, I'm not sure it's fair to say this troop has done nothing for the Air Force. There was a job to fill and they selected her to do it. I couldn't do it. I know many who couldn't. If someone says this job needs to exist, who am I to gripe about what they pay the person who fills it, especially if I'm unqualified to do it? Some jobs get paid differently than others. That's how employment works universally, really.
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