Posted on Apr 24, 2018
Is it possible to reclassify into an MOS and become qualified without attending AIT?
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Slotted for MOS not qualified for. Temporary profile won't permit me to attend AIT to become MOS Q'd. Is anyone aware of a waiver or fast track process? Could not find any information within AR 600-8-19 about AIT waivers or anything similar. Not becoming MOS Q'd will definitely cost me a promotion opportunity if not completed by end of FY18.
Posted 7 y ago
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Last I checked, there was a way to reclass if you have worked in the MTOE position performing the duties of that position for a certain amount of time. I don't know if that is still a thing though.
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SSG Robert Webster
That is what in the past was called OJT qualification.
That is how I got my Signal MOSs and how I got my Supply (Logistics) MOS. It is interesting that is how I actually fell into Beta testing the ULLS system. That is also how I learned all about TEMPEST systems.
That is how I got my Signal MOSs and how I got my Supply (Logistics) MOS. It is interesting that is how I actually fell into Beta testing the ULLS system. That is also how I learned all about TEMPEST systems.
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I do not know if this still holds true, you would need to check with your S1 Personnel Section to confirm and begin the process. Depending upon the MOS you were to reclassify into You could complete the required Army Correspondence Course, upon success full completion the S1 and Unit Commander could submit the forms for reclassification and the new MOS awarded based upon that. That process as mentioned earlier could also be part of a 2 Step process where you would need to attend a Phase II school provided by a Reserve Training Site.
Another option had been to hold Specific and Certified Civilian Skill Sets that are also employed by the Army. Civilian or DoD Firefighters in GS0081 positions with full certifications at or above the vacant pay grade could be awarded the MOS of Firefighter. Similar held True for Heavy Vehicle Operators, tractor trailer drivers. I had been a DoD Civilian Firefighter/EMT and concurrently held a Class A CDL license with endorsements for Doubles, Triples, Tank Vehicles, and Hazardous Materials.
If you are Active Duty, consider options open through the Education Center on you base as well. Your S1 again should be able to assist you if the Ed Center offer courses that are applicable to the MOS you're looking to transfer or cross level into.
Much has changed since I retired from the Reserves in 2001, and a DoD position in 2007. And ask your Platoon Sergeant as well she or he should be able to give guidance.
Another option had been to hold Specific and Certified Civilian Skill Sets that are also employed by the Army. Civilian or DoD Firefighters in GS0081 positions with full certifications at or above the vacant pay grade could be awarded the MOS of Firefighter. Similar held True for Heavy Vehicle Operators, tractor trailer drivers. I had been a DoD Civilian Firefighter/EMT and concurrently held a Class A CDL license with endorsements for Doubles, Triples, Tank Vehicles, and Hazardous Materials.
If you are Active Duty, consider options open through the Education Center on you base as well. Your S1 again should be able to assist you if the Ed Center offer courses that are applicable to the MOS you're looking to transfer or cross level into.
Much has changed since I retired from the Reserves in 2001, and a DoD position in 2007. And ask your Platoon Sergeant as well she or he should be able to give guidance.
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SPC (Join to see)
I appreciate the information, I'll discuss this with my S1. Chain of Command ended with me being told to find a publication with supporting information as they had either heard of it or claim it isn't possible anymore.
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I don't see it happening- I mean the whole point of AIT is to train you in your MOS to the standards of today- I could see if it was a prior MOS you had held- Have you asked to see if this MOS has an on-line component or is offered as a correspondence course? I took my secondary MOs that way 100 years ago.
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I'll look into it SGM. I understand what I'm hoping to accomplish is a long shot if its even possible. Rest assured this is no attempt to undermine the standards. I intend to recover and expect many schools ahead in my career. I just hate that I may miss an opportunity for promotion over a temporary issue.
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You may want to check and see if OJT is still a current viable option. For some MOSs it was acceptable and others it was not. IF it is still an option for the new MOS, you should check it out.
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SSG Robert Webster
The place to start is with AR 614-200 - and here is the relevant paragraph:
c. Supervised on-the-job training (OJT) may be used to improve utilization and qualifications of Soldiers in their PMOS, SMOS, or ASI (except intelligence MOS). However, supervised OJT will not be used to—
(1) Award MOS that requires formal school training described in DA Pam 611 – 21.
(2) Change Soldiers' PMOS for the sole purpose of meeting local requirements.
(3) Cause the loss of school trained assets.
The next step is to check the MOS against what it states in DA Pam 611-21, as the above paragraph states. With that you will need access to - https://smartbook.armyg1.pentagon.mil/ . That is as far as I can direct you since I do not have accessibility to that URL.
I think this is about as far as I can assist at this time.
c. Supervised on-the-job training (OJT) may be used to improve utilization and qualifications of Soldiers in their PMOS, SMOS, or ASI (except intelligence MOS). However, supervised OJT will not be used to—
(1) Award MOS that requires formal school training described in DA Pam 611 – 21.
(2) Change Soldiers' PMOS for the sole purpose of meeting local requirements.
(3) Cause the loss of school trained assets.
The next step is to check the MOS against what it states in DA Pam 611-21, as the above paragraph states. With that you will need access to - https://smartbook.armyg1.pentagon.mil/ . That is as far as I can direct you since I do not have accessibility to that URL.
I think this is about as far as I can assist at this time.
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SPC (Join to see)
This led me to the information I needed thank you. For all concerned this information can be found in DA PAM 611-21 Chapter 10. I can and will request a ACASP waiver.
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC (Join to see) - Thank you and you're welcome. I am glad that I could assist. Hope it all works out for you and that you recover as quickly as you can. One thing to note from a friends experience - follow the advice of the physical therapist, it goes a long way in keeping physical ailments at bay.
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SPC (Join to see) - Well --- in 1978 I was awarded the SMOS of 11B. I was an 11D (today's 19D) but had been assigned to only Infantry Battalions whenever I wasn't assigned to Cavalry.
Did all the stuff and since 2nd Div did the Warrior Walks which everyone tramped through the Korean mountains with all their TO&E fighting gear. Additionally our BC had everyone 'participate' in the EIB. Myself with 4 other Scouts (of a platoon of 29) were successful in the events. Towards the end of my tour, orders for the 5 of us came down with the 11B SMOS orders.
AS for the EIB? Only did it one time as we Scouts generally were out in the field. Of Course we weren't awarded it, because we weren't serving in an 11B MOS. Kudos to the 11Bs out there though - for a bunch of young SGTs and SPCs, it was a tough badge to qualify ;D even if we didn't 'earn' it.
To answer to the original question - I served successfully a stint as an Infantry Squad Leader followed by Platoon Sergeant in the same platoon, but wasn't given orders to be a PMOS of 11B. I did return to the Scout Platoon to be their PSG though.
Hope this helped.
Did all the stuff and since 2nd Div did the Warrior Walks which everyone tramped through the Korean mountains with all their TO&E fighting gear. Additionally our BC had everyone 'participate' in the EIB. Myself with 4 other Scouts (of a platoon of 29) were successful in the events. Towards the end of my tour, orders for the 5 of us came down with the 11B SMOS orders.
AS for the EIB? Only did it one time as we Scouts generally were out in the field. Of Course we weren't awarded it, because we weren't serving in an 11B MOS. Kudos to the 11Bs out there though - for a bunch of young SGTs and SPCs, it was a tough badge to qualify ;D even if we didn't 'earn' it.
To answer to the original question - I served successfully a stint as an Infantry Squad Leader followed by Platoon Sergeant in the same platoon, but wasn't given orders to be a PMOS of 11B. I did return to the Scout Platoon to be their PSG though.
Hope this helped.
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My son and a friend of his both enlisted for the GA NG program. My son selected 19D Cavalry Scout; his friend chose 11B Infantry. Upon return to their units, my son was told he had been re-classed 11B. You got it - his friend was re-classed 19D. All without attending any further training.
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SPC (Join to see)
Wow not even within the same series! I wonder if he's actually MOS qualified though, and not just in the slot.
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CPT Don Kemp
SSG (Join to see) - I agree. I was 11B both enlisted & officer and strongly encouraged my son to select another MOS.
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SSG (Join to see)
CPT Don Kemp there might be a little bias on my part though... I was a Knox trained Garryowen Scout.
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I don’t know about todays army but believe it or not i floated between 3 MOS through out my 22 years on active duty. I never did AIT after basic or any other time. It was all OJT. I retired in 1982 as an E9.
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The only way to avoid AIT or reclass is if you can prove MOS proficiency thru OJT or thru Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program (ACASP). OJT is very difficult because you have to do a packet where you are evaluated by an E7 or above in that MOS in specific tasks and the Commander certified that you demonstrated proficiency. The first GO in the chain has to approve it. They rarely do, I seen it only once and that individual had a lot of civilian training. ACASP is easier but you have to provide specific civilian certifications depending on the MOS you want.
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For all concerned this information can be found in DA PAM 611-21 Chapter 10. It lists formal training requirements and waiver requirements if possible for all MOS. I can and will request a ACASP waiver.
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SPC (Join to see)
Negative, it is a temporary injury that I am actively recovering from. Considering the physical therapy and release from profile I should enjoy serving till retirement.
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i’m basing it on what i’ve seen so far from people who can’t or don’t obtain their mos for a certain amount of time after 30 day out. there’s a board of chapter packets that have been started for soldiers in this situation. it costs the army money keeping people in training. this normally starts with missed POI or inability to complete 30 day out record pt test whether it be profile or failure.
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