Posted on Dec 24, 2016
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In all honesty, I do not thing there is a specific article in the UCMJ that gives and NCO the authority to take an Officer to to mast. But conduct unbecoming or the General article (134) could apply in some instances based on the actions of the officer. For example, an officer decides to send racial slurs or other slurs towards an NCO (or any military member for that matter) would be subject to conduct unbecoming, departure from rank, CMEO, and an whole slue of other charges.
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MSgt Alfred Cole
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Did you not go to boot camp? This is basic stuff.
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PO1 Michael Adams
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Yes. I had filed charges, back in the day, lol, on an Officer for conduct unbecoming and conveying a verbal threat. At the time, I was an E-4. I could not submit the report chit myself but had to have an Officer of equal or higher rank submit it. It happened and within hours, had the Officer on his knees begging for forgiveness. Brought his swollen ego down a few hundred notches before I told the Executive Officer of my command to drop the chit. Them Zero's are not above anyone else just because of what's on their collar/shoulder. I had to respect the Uniform, not the prick that occupied it.
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PO2 Paul W.
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I was fortunate to work for a LCDR, USN NC at my first post after Corps School. Others in the dept told me she would see me through ANY NJP or court marshal hearing...if I was RIGHT! They also assured me she would be first to hand me my a$$ if I was wrong!
One night I had a Pentagon based 4 stripe walk in & ask for cold medication. Of course it was a night we had all exam/treatment rooms full with serious trauma & we were short staffed. I told the capt he would have to wait. He became irate and demanded to be seen immediately. I calmly described each trauma in each room and asked which he would like emptied to be seen. He then sarcastically demanded I attend to him where we stood. I reminded him that since he was presenting as a patient, he was subordinate to me. He blew up and told me to expect a "write up" for insubordination. The next day I related (with great fear) to my LCDR what had happened. She immediately went to the Hospital CO (one star ADM) The next day, she came to me and told me the paper work had come through but not to worry and wait for a call to see the CO. Two days later, I was called. The LCDR & I went to the CO's office. I waited in the outer office, the LCDR went into the CO's. Five minutes later, she came out and told me the paperwork was "lost" in the round file.
I relate this only to explain that the right WILL prevail if given a chance!
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TSgt Tommy Amparano
TSgt Tommy Amparano
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Nice for them to have your back, but I would never have told an officer, especially a sick one that he/she was subordinate to me in my job function. Dealing with sick people is a whole other ball of wax you have to be on your most professional and diplomatic hat on. Always try and calm those situations down.
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PO2 Paul W.
PO2 Paul W.
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TSgt Tommy Amparano - I agree with you. Understand that I GREATLY shortened this encounter, never lost my professional demeanor, was under enormous pressure working up the other casualties, had only a month's experience (Had only finished Boot Camp and Corps School.), and LCDR asked me what happened so already knew. I also knew then & agree now that sick people require a special level of care & concern. I had worked in a hospital before entering the service This was a case of "pulling rank" & arrogance. The issue of a patient being subordinate was actually an SOP that our base TOLD us to use in a "reminding" way due to earlier problems with Pentagon personnel demeaning our enlisted staff. That is also why the hospital CO was a one star ADM & Base CO a 2 star ADM; to "level" the field resolving issues between the Hospital & the Pentagon.
My point was to have faith in the command structure & not lose your cool.
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SSgt James Connolly
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My self I would look around and try to see once I light the fire whats around after it boils and spills over,you just might like to CYAP cover your ass with paperwork.Try and see what might happen to self if things go the wrong way,if they are Acadamy boys then they have their Protective Association covering his ass what have you got.I don't believe it goes what they going to do to me cut my hair and send me back to Nam.If your career type look at your future hard before doing anything,remember you may prove something but it does not go to bed it follows you in your duties where ever you go
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MSgt Ncoic
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There is a offense called provoking speech and gestures. Since your original question was vague I'm not sure how disrespectful the situation was. There's also conduct unbecoming and a few other offenses you could look at. Again, it depends on the extent of what of what was said or done. For the most part officer vs enlisted is a non issue especially in today's PC military world. If it was sexual in nature you could also look at sexual harassment. Hope this helps at least a little.
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I didn't have a situation happen to me it was just a thought I had
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PO1 Personnel Specialist
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You can file a grievance, GI, or Captain Mast. Make sure to have substantial evidence. Good luck.
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CPO David Sharp
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Navy Regs 1.11(?) specifically states that any superior who is found to be abusive to a subordinate is subject to charges. Basically, yes, there is also a condition up and down the chain for respect.
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CPO Donald Crisp
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That is a pretty vague question without any real explanation. I'm of the old Guard, so my views are a little more "did the job get done and was it safe, legal and did it work?". IF an officer belittles someone in front of his peers and subordinates, (if that's what your experiencing) that isn't something that you can take legal action using the UCMJ, it just shows that the officer has little to no understanding of leadership and management.

IF it is a persistent issue, you can take it up with your CSM for advice and further action. I now things are different now and in the seagoing services, but the same general COC actions need to be taken. Just arbitrarily attempting to take action against an officer could land you in some pretty hot water. So you need to ask yourself if:
1. Can I handle this on my own (do I have the leadership and management skills to teach the O. Remember, junior officers do need training and guidance from NCO's in the field. They think they may know everything, but it's like trying to raise a teenager, they'll need guidance.

2. What actions do you expect to be taken. If it isn't taken, what will you do then? As sad as it sounds, you may become a target for retaliation. It's not supposed to happen, but it does, BELIEVE me.

3. Is it worth the effort? I'm a firm believer of picking your battles and if you are a strong leader, you need to ensure that you maintain (at all times) proper respect and decorum. Your peers and subordinates should never see you bad mouthing the officer in public. If you and your peers want to discuss the issue and brainstorm to find an answer, do it in private. If not, it WILL come back to bite you in the butt.

Just an old sailors advice.
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PO2 Robert Moore
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depends.......with or in conjunction with lawful orders? Or......a personal unwarranted attack in front of the NCO's men/women? The latter has a better chance of some action. UCMJ? Doubtful. Chain of Command......more likely.
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