Posted on Feb 22, 2018
Is it realistic to believe that a teacher could effectively defend against an active shooter, using an AR-15, armed with only a handgun?
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After the shooting in Florida many people began to say arm the teachers. But they over look that a police officer was there. As a Marine I understand how difficult it is to close on and take an active shooter even with the best training and equipment. During the Dallas shooting 11 police officers was injured and another 6 was killed. Out of all the return fire none actually hit the suspect. Infact the suspect was killed by a remote control robot carrying an explosive. The reason why the suspect wasn't killed by a well aimed handgun shot is because of what we call the fog of war. When the shooting starts panic and confusion set in and the way we deal with it in the military is continually to train for those situations week in and week out. But without a third of the training people are expecting teachers to be able to identify the location of the shooter, know the movement of other armed teachers, know the movement of the innocent students and staff, close on the shooter and fire a well aimed shot without putting any students in further danger. Is that realistic?
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I was a School Director in our local public district for 16 years. We had the majority of the systems described by Capt Schwebach in place, including features that forced visitors to take a circuitous route to gain entry. With all that, I opined to the board that I could gain entry and slaughter at least a couple of dozen staff or students easily. We had approximately 250 teachers and administrators. Of those, the number of vets was about 10-15%, spread fairly evenly throughout the five buildings. I never talked with one of them who was not willing to act as defensive force in their school. I lost the argument to some progressive members of the board who felt teachers being armed was dangerous. As of today, our security consists of the same systems.
I can assure you that even when the defender is strapped into a seat, a pistol can prevail over individuals armed with an automatic AK-47 at a range less than 30 feet.
I can assure you that even when the defender is strapped into a seat, a pistol can prevail over individuals armed with an automatic AK-47 at a range less than 30 feet.
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As students are beginning to return to schools since it is August, the answer is even a slingshot or a broom can adequately defend against an active shooter no matter the weapon, the issue is all based on the training and resolved of the defender.
Now to Orr, why the down vote, the question is a valid question?
Now to Orr, why the down vote, the question is a valid question?
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My buddy who was on our police dept decided he had enough of being a policeman. He finished school and became a teacher. What better person to have a gun at that time. I know several school teachers that are also prior service or still in the National Guard. There are also avid shooters and gun enthusiasts as well. Although the pistol at a long rifle battle is a disadvantage. At least there is hope, and hopefully the rifle shooter is less accurate.
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An armed and trained teacher, willing to serve in this capacity could defend much more effectively than the same unarmed teacher. There is also the issue of deterrence, armed teachers could deter shooters from selecting the somewhat protected schools.
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No is the simple answer, that said they will fair a lot better with a hand gun that they would without a gun at all.
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No way. I will just make for a killing zone for the classroom. Once the shooting starts everyone inside that classroom will automatically become collateral damage.
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No it is not one bit realistic to be honest. The same holds true with so many folks now a days with the Conceal-Carry debate rearing its ugly head also. People have know idea that damage that cannot be taken back once that triggered is pulled.
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LCPL Tim McCain, You really hit the nail on the head so to speak. Why have even more guns available for a shooter. There were police present and like the Cpl said the police were there. One must forgive the officer did not just rush in without any intel. I guess that he had rushed in and was killed it would had been his fault as well! He was using his head in not going in right away!! Who says that the teachers should carry guns anyway! I know having worked special duty in two local school systems that they too can be a group of nut cases! Hire retired cops!
I saved the best for last! Lets blame the AR-15's as the culprit! These anti gun people blame the AR even when not used!
I saved the best for last! Lets blame the AR-15's as the culprit! These anti gun people blame the AR even when not used!
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