Posted on Feb 22, 2018
Is it realistic to believe that a teacher could effectively defend against an active shooter, using an AR-15, armed with only a handgun?
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After the shooting in Florida many people began to say arm the teachers. But they over look that a police officer was there. As a Marine I understand how difficult it is to close on and take an active shooter even with the best training and equipment. During the Dallas shooting 11 police officers was injured and another 6 was killed. Out of all the return fire none actually hit the suspect. Infact the suspect was killed by a remote control robot carrying an explosive. The reason why the suspect wasn't killed by a well aimed handgun shot is because of what we call the fog of war. When the shooting starts panic and confusion set in and the way we deal with it in the military is continually to train for those situations week in and week out. But without a third of the training people are expecting teachers to be able to identify the location of the shooter, know the movement of other armed teachers, know the movement of the innocent students and staff, close on the shooter and fire a well aimed shot without putting any students in further danger. Is that realistic?
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We have teachers, coaches, and factuality that have sacrificed there lives to save students. All like that have the right to be armed an to gain the ability to defend them selves and those in harms way.
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Look at it this way. Is it realistic for a soldier to go on a combat mission against enemy armed with AK’s, with only a pistol?
I believe that the way to end, or at least decrease, school shootings, and mass shootings in general is to be realistic about what they actually are; they are suicides that involve the suicidal individual wishing to gain noteraity for killing his or her self. No one has ever committed a mass shooting and gotten away with it. It always ends with the shooter dying or being captured after running out of ammo or changing their mind about dying. But the initial intent of the shooting is always suicide. We figure how to make unbalanced individuals want to live, we figure how to stop mass shootings without having to change or restrict the right to bear arms.
I believe that the way to end, or at least decrease, school shootings, and mass shootings in general is to be realistic about what they actually are; they are suicides that involve the suicidal individual wishing to gain noteraity for killing his or her self. No one has ever committed a mass shooting and gotten away with it. It always ends with the shooter dying or being captured after running out of ammo or changing their mind about dying. But the initial intent of the shooting is always suicide. We figure how to make unbalanced individuals want to live, we figure how to stop mass shootings without having to change or restrict the right to bear arms.
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First of all family. Second of all family. Then god, and country. The family is not what it once was and with the less emphasis on family, values degrade with that. Parents now a days don't want their "little kiddo" to think badly of them even for a moment. And most now rely on the school system to give their kids values. And none of them are teaching the value of human life. When I was in high school we used our wit and then our if we had to our physical aggression to solve issues. No one ever thought about bringing a gun to school unless it was hunting season.
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Is it so much about closing and eliminating the threat or the fact that the active shooter may very well avoid the school altogether knowing armed resistance is on site. Furthermore, armed staff would be the barrier behind closed doors, limiting access and entry. Smaller window of breach coming through a door with any weapon, allowing teacher(s) to focus on a doorway and aiming for center of mass. In the instance of hunting an active shooter, I would rather have the hand gun in the confines of classrooms and hallways/stairwellsThe shooter may have volume and capacity on his side, while the teacher has better knowledge of his surroundings, defense points and areas to better ambush an assailant
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Most teachers are Untrained in the art and skills of weaponry. Bad idea in my personal opinion to entrust firearms to teachers even with training. Hell they cannot even get enough supplies to TEACH ! Who is going to pay for this. TRAINED PROFESSIONALS ONLY should be armed on school campus.
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So a drilling ARNG MP should not be allowed to carry a handgun at his full time civilian teaching position? The reserve police officer should not be allowed to carry a handgun at her full time teaching position? The Troops to Teachers military veteran with years of training and experience should not be allowed to carry a handgun to their full time job if they work at a school?
None of these teachers are capable of barricading themselves inside a classroom with their students hiding behind desks and defend the door against an active shooter? "Most"teachers" might never qualify to carry a firearm, but that should not prevent the few teachers who readily qualify from being authorized to carry a tool to defend their students/self.
The ARNG pays for the MP's training. The police dept pays for the reserve police officer's training. Many veterans would probably be willing to pay for their own training to qualify for the opportunity to continue to serve/protect their community, The Feds and States could also offer tax credits to encourage participation and defer costs.
None of these teachers are capable of barricading themselves inside a classroom with their students hiding behind desks and defend the door against an active shooter? "Most"teachers" might never qualify to carry a firearm, but that should not prevent the few teachers who readily qualify from being authorized to carry a tool to defend their students/self.
The ARNG pays for the MP's training. The police dept pays for the reserve police officer's training. Many veterans would probably be willing to pay for their own training to qualify for the opportunity to continue to serve/protect their community, The Feds and States could also offer tax credits to encourage participation and defer costs.
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Yes if they are trained. It's been done before
https://kdminer.com/news/2018/jul/05/kingman-police-officers-armed-robbery-shooting-ide/
https://kdminer.com/news/2018/jul/05/kingman-police-officers-armed-robbery-shooting-ide/
Kingman Police officers in armed robbery shooting identified
KINGMAN – Police officers involved in the shooting of a suspect in the armed robbery of a Dollar General store Sunday have been identified as Mike Morris and Adam Simonsen, Mohave County Sheriff’s Office reported Thursday.Morris, a three-year veteran of Kingman Police Department, was the first officer to arrive at the store at 3665 E. Andy Devine Ave. at 9:49 p.m. on a report of an armed robbery in progress.He was coming to a stop at Sunshine...
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possible, yes. realistic, no. training they would need would be prohibitive. the reason cops miss so many shots is cuz they train on a static range. not in a 'real life' situation. not a lot of forces can afford a 'scenario' type range.
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All else being equal, I'd put money on the rifle -- BUT -- there are a lot of other factors to consider: does the teacher have advantages of cover and surprise? Who is more proficient? Who is calmer? In the end -- better a handgun than a roll of duct tape and a hammer!
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Being a retired Military Veteran and a retired teacher, I believe that a well trained teacher can close and take on a shooter, however I don't recommend that approach. However, I feel that a teacher can be armed and in a defensive mode to protect his classroom and/or students within his proximity. I would also recommend the use of "bean bag" ammo that we carried as aircrew members. They would not penetrate a classroom wall whereas a ball type ammo would and also lessen the chances of severe injury or death of a person in a stray shot.
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