Posted on Feb 16, 2014
CSM Mike Maynard
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See article below.

As individual as Soldiers feet, ankles, knees, stride, gait, etc - do we really want to mandate which shoes a Soldier can wear?

Is this uniformity for uniformity sake or is there a benefit?


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I don't agree with it but here is a way that they can work it.  When new recruits come into basic, have them do a running shoe clinic.  They would have to run on a treadmill and they would need to have professional's there to analyze their gait, foot strike, etc.  They would also have to analyze their arch.  Then they could get a better idea of what kind of runner they were and offer various running shoes for each different type of runner.  This option would be time consuming and costly so I doubt it would come to fruition.   

I hope, when they are finding manufacturers for the "official" sneaker, they take into account that not all runners are created the same.  I really hope they don't shove a sneaker down my throat that is for an under-pronator when I'm an over-pronator.   It will lead to more personnel hurt, which means more personnel on profile, which finally means less personnel ready to deploy to conduct their wartime mission.
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Yeah, that's all wonderful and all; doing a gait and form analysis in Basic. It'll give the new joe an answer as to what shoes to buy. The downfall to that is that a person's strike and stride and form all change during the course of their life.

With the emphasis on one-size-fits-all exercises, service members will continue to be hurt. With any form of exercises, service members will continue to be hurt. Freak incidents and accidents happen, especially while doing any sort of physical exertion. Those incidents influence the wear and tear on a body. The changes in geometry within a body can be gradual or can be drastic.

What all of this means is that the BAS, TMC, or AMC would need to be able to re-evaluate a service member perhaps annually. Then those results would have to be cross-referenced to the dizzying array of solutions on the market for the SM to go and purchase. Or perhaps have ALL those shoes on hand in a warehouse for issue, sort of like a CIF for PT shoes. Then the question of whether the joe wants minimalist or lightweight or full support or full cushion.

As was stated above, the logistics and execution of this idea would be daunting.
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LTC Eric Coger
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When I in-processed at Fort Drum, they were doing a study.  I had to run across a machine that imaged my foot impact and stride/gait.  There were several things we did including some NFL combine-like things such as a shuttle sprint and vertical leap.  They gave me the results and handed me a list of shoes by model that were suited to my style.  Do this every time we PCS and it will cover your annual physical for that year, a fitness assessment and check if your gait has changed over time to recommend a change to shoes. 
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With most shoe companies running a whole list of the different styles of shoes in their "Line", I don't think it would be too far off to have a company bid for this.  They would then take their "line" of shoes and just make black and gold versions for the army.  The actual selection of each individual shoe would still fall on the individual soldier.  This is not the best answer but if the Army is going to force us to compy then it would at least be acceptable to me.
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CW3 Brian Harris
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One or two American-brand shoe manufacturers could easily produce shoes that not only meet the uniformity of aesthetics the DoD wants, but also meet the varying needs of each individual. There could be styles for minimalists, memory foam inserts, narrow and wide widths, and support those form a high arch to flatfoot, just to name a few examples. Creating a balanced sneaker to fit each individual would not really be that hard, since most athletic shoe companies have been dabbling in the same for years. DoD just needs to make sure the sneakers purchased meet the standards by law, and are a quality made product. Frankly, I think it is absurd to see a formation of individuals in a standard uniform, but then look at their feet to see sneakers in odd styles or flashy colors. We're not in the military to be in a fashion pageant!
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Unless the Army is willing to shell out to buy every Soldier Saucony's and Pearl Izumi's every few months, no. There is no one size fits all when it comes to footwear. This would send profiles through the roof.
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SSG Cedeno

I like your question for real. A lot of leaders have to deal with this type of thing. I fight with certain things on a daily basis as the 1SG.
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SSG Cedeno,

I apologize for putting that info on my last comment. I copied and pasted your name and thats what it did and i can't remove it.
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SFC Chambliss,

I agree with your last statement, standards are standards, and we must enforce them if they are in place. 
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SFC, Don't worry about that.
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CSM Maynard,

I recently saw this article posted about this and I was kind of baffled. In an age where the military in general is trying to reduce costs in the long haul, it seems to me that it is a step backward when trying to create a standardized shoe. Doing this will only increase knee, ankle and other joint issues as all of our bodies are designed differently. Another poster made mention of how we already have designated boots. This bares no comparison to the stress induced on the joints when running as the majority of the time boots are not worn for physical fitness training and they normally are not worn for prolonged running. I think I have to lean toward the argument that this is just for uniformity purposes and has no other benefit. I would also imagine like most other things, once the Army developed these so called standard running shoes, than they would also create a standardized price that didn't benefit anyone, but the person selling them. This sounds like another persons idea to leave their mark on the military right as they are retiring.

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<p>I don't think the Army should be bothering with running shoes at a time when they can't even get a regulation for wearing the uniform published. There are far more pressing issues to deal with like troop draw downs and budget constraints. I feel that this is another distraction. </p><p><br></p><p>We need soldiers to get back to being soldiers, I get it. But you have to give the soldier the tools to succeed. If we are going to a more "garrison" focused time, then PRT will be a major if not the biggest focus of leaders. The PT uniform does not really help or hinder a soldiers performance, but their shoes will.</p>
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I think its another horrible idea from the same people that brought us ACU's.<div><br></div><div>Too many variations in the human body and even running styles. Running shoes have been evolving as long as I have been running. I have went from my Chuck Taylors, to Nike and now 30 years later I'm a running minimalist.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Besides civilians &amp; the free market is way ahead of the military in fitness. I learned from the FM on PT, then I started reading and working with civilian trainers to reach a more elite level of fitness.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If they adopt something, I'm pretty sure they will screw it up.&nbsp;</div>
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SSG Keith Evans
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This is possibly one of the least-thought-out decisions we've had in recent years, and we've had a few. Every person has different bio-mechanics and no one manufacturer will be able to address them all. The shoe they have is based on a design of a shoe for ultra-marathoners. I can see this shoe causing injury for those who do not use this shoe for that kind of purpose, or for someone who runs marathons but needs a differently manufactured shoe. IMO, New Balance kills my ankles for some reason, I like my Merrell Trail Runner, they are a minimalist shoe that conforms to AR 670-1. This reeks of having one shoe for uniformity's sake and that is going to kill our mission readiness with injuries.
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I agree SSG Keith Evans. I think there will be more to do this. I hope they will have some degree of flexibility implemented. New Balance = Perm Profile for this guy. It actually might be a plot to give people the boot, j/k.
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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NO! Look at the Army-issued Combat Boots! They are terrible! If they made a sneaker a standard, the majority of people would suffer. I can't wear the crap-boots they issue because they give me really bad blisters and cause pain in my arches and heel. They are pieces of crap. NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!
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LTC Eric Coger
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Different feet shapes, running styles, etc. No way. Terrible idea.
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Chief I fully agree the basic boots tore my feet up I wear Blackhawks now that don't give me blisters and are ruck ones for a formation that I need good boots I have a set of Belleville
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Only if they're Chuck Taylor All Stars, the original minimal shoe!
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Run faster, jump higher.  They used to be made up the road from where I grew up.  My Dad used to buy us their factory seconds at their outlet!
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
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CSM Maynard,


I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here but I 100% disagree with it. PT shoes are one of the very few ways a Soldier is allowed to show some individualism. If we mandate a generic shoe that looks the same for everyone we are only going to hurt our Soldiers more than we will be helping them. It will lower morale for one. Not to mention every Soldiers foot is not the same so I think injuries would also be more prone to happen. The benefit of being able to pick out our own PT shoes is we can find out what is comfortable for our feet and our needs during PT.

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CSM Mike Maynard
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SSG Mitchell - really?&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>By not allowing Soldiers to express their individualism through their PT shoes, it will lower their morale?</div><div><br></div><div>So, morale must be lower than it could be already since we mandate PT uniforms and daily work uniforms. Should we allow Soldiers to express their individualism through their dress throughout the whole day to improve morale?</div><div><br></div>
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
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CSM Maynard,


We should definitely not allow Soldiers to express their individualism throughout the whole day, but having the option to get a running shoe that works for their feet, that also allows them to show their individualism by finding styles they like, is a good thing in my opinion. I could have been a little more detailed with my statement on morale though.  


I do not think it would affect morale in large numbers. However, I do think it could lower the morale of some individuals. I think a lot of Soldiers would be angry with it and could use it as an excuse to affect their morale. 


Until I became EO though, and have had to hear some of the things Soldiers complain about, I would not have thought something this simple would affect their morale.  But some of the things Soldiers have told me is a "morale killer" are even simpler than this. I am just not surprised by much of anything that comes out of a Soldiers mouth anymore.


I just really hope if they do make official Army sneakers, they have some way to accommodate each Soldiers needs. With so many different feet types and injuries out there good shoes are extremely important. 


I have found two different shoes that work great for the injury I have. I always buy one or the other of these two, depending which one is cheaper at the time, about every 4 months or so. Sometimes I can only find them in bright colors. Sometimes I can only find them in black. I don't care what they look like. I just like them because they work very well for me.  

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CSM I don't under stand why........ we have a million people in the army all with different feet. just like we have different boot's to choose from. one shoe for every person will never work. I have been through so many shoes to get to the ones that best fit my feet the best.


If they want a shoe that all "look alike" why not just pick a color like black or gray something subued. making all soldiers get one shoe will just lead to more ''feet profiles''.

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