Posted on Jun 8, 2015
Is Krav Maga more practical than Modern Army Combatives?
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Ok. Some people might get mad at me for even questioning MAC. Don’t get me wrong, ground grappling has its place but in a mob attack—it is not smart. Krav Maga stresses the importance of remaining standing, defending while attacking (cutting time), and turning the table on an armed opponent. Lets face it, with all of our combat gear on, who wants to take the fight to the ground (not me).
While I agree with the MAC techniques, I feel that Krav Maga covers an angle to the scheme of things; it still upholds closing-in on an enemy ("close combat" atleast for Military Krav Maga) but without going to the ground. It does help to know some Jiu Jitsu/MAC because you'll never know when you will be on the ground.
Moreover, Krav Maga adds confidence to the “Resistance” part of SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape).
I have a wrestling background (Olympic, Greco, and Freestyle). I have been a Krav Maga student for only three months. Although, I lean more towards Krav Maga in this argument, I do love MAC for sports.
While I agree with the MAC techniques, I feel that Krav Maga covers an angle to the scheme of things; it still upholds closing-in on an enemy ("close combat" atleast for Military Krav Maga) but without going to the ground. It does help to know some Jiu Jitsu/MAC because you'll never know when you will be on the ground.
Moreover, Krav Maga adds confidence to the “Resistance” part of SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape).
I have a wrestling background (Olympic, Greco, and Freestyle). I have been a Krav Maga student for only three months. Although, I lean more towards Krav Maga in this argument, I do love MAC for sports.
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I'm a big fan of Israeli close quarters style of fighting however I think Jeet Kune Do or JKD could be of better use with one on one as apposed to Krav Maga. It is intended to use minimal movements with maximum effects and extreme speed and attack opponents centerline. It would be interesting to see a Krav Maga vs JKD fight.
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I'm about to start Krav Maga classes because I believe it's something I can use and remember. As a non-combat MOS, the amount of training we get on combatives is extremely low. It is usually dependent on how much time your command will spare you to go to classes. From what I understand of Krav Maga it focuses less on technique than traditional martial arts and more on results. Results are what matter in a fight.
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SGT Kristin Wiley: let me know how it goes. I've been doing Krav for a little over 3 months now (as of 8 June 2015). Being trained in Level 1 for the past (let's see) SIX years (tournaments and all)!!! LOL I know there is more to MAC than ground so since I keep hearing "we just don't wanna see you get hurt" or "it's not a training priority", I took it upon myself to pursue Krav. I hope to teach it one day too. Let me know how it goes, please.
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I always believed I would employ whatever tactics it took if I had to engage in hand-to-hand combat, be it something that was trained over the course of my career in the Army or whatever I had picked up throughout the course of my life, hell I would even go WWE on "their" ass if need be to ensure that I came out the victor!!
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Whatever you do, just don't pin them and count to three, SFC William Swartz Jr LOL
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No I was thinking more of a well timed Stone Cold Stunner or an old fashioned DDT would do the trick, no pinning bothered with!!!
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I think the psychology behind MAC is that "all fights, eventually, devolve to struggling on the ground, so be ready for it". One problem we have in Reserves (and I assume National Guard as well) is that we rarely ever see MAC. "Combatives" shows up on the training schedule once, maybe twice, a year so we're basically learning Drill 1 over and over again, and we have to be re-introduced to that each time. And each time I have to remind myself there's more to it than what we see, 'cause I think "Doing this stuff with gear on? No way."
An instructor told me that, in the worst case scenario, MAC should give you the skills you need to keep your personal opponent from beating you until the rest of your buddies can come and help you. I'd love to see more of what MAC has to offer, but until we can have an AT devoted to two weeks of Combatives I'm stuck with what I can get on the civilian market.
Fortunately there is a Krav Maga studio nearby so I'll look into that. In the meantime I took a couple years of Kenpo a long time ago and really enjoyed that... if I ever got into hand-to-hand combat (a vanishingly rare situation) I'd use as much of that as I remember, since my Combatives training is paper-thin, unfortunately.
An instructor told me that, in the worst case scenario, MAC should give you the skills you need to keep your personal opponent from beating you until the rest of your buddies can come and help you. I'd love to see more of what MAC has to offer, but until we can have an AT devoted to two weeks of Combatives I'm stuck with what I can get on the civilian market.
Fortunately there is a Krav Maga studio nearby so I'll look into that. In the meantime I took a couple years of Kenpo a long time ago and really enjoyed that... if I ever got into hand-to-hand combat (a vanishingly rare situation) I'd use as much of that as I remember, since my Combatives training is paper-thin, unfortunately.
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SSG (Join to see): LOL you were spot on with describing what happens in "training schedules". You will love how practical Krav can be for anyone with little to no background of any style-let alone with our experience and various backgrounds. Please let me know how it goes.
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I'm no expert in MAC, but I would suggest a combination of MAC and KM. It's my understanding that in KM, you are neutralizing someone and learning close ground techniques. In MAC, you are doing similar, but also learning to fight in your gear which I would think would be helpful. Again, I'm no expert, just observing.
I'm a student in Muay Thai now for over 2 years. I've learned some great defensive techniques as well as some knife defense skills. While I'm no Ronda Rousey, you better not push your luck with me though. lol
Great discussion!
I'm a student in Muay Thai now for over 2 years. I've learned some great defensive techniques as well as some knife defense skills. While I'm no Ronda Rousey, you better not push your luck with me though. lol
Great discussion!
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I agree; knowing both MAC and Krav could prove beneficial. Krav actually has three types: Civilian, Law Enforcement, and Military. You can see where the gear part comes in. So does MAC though... BUT I guess my issue with MAC is that it begins with teaching EVERYONE ground techniques. I have to agree with Krav's reality that it is safe to assume that being on the ground means you're dead as if you're outnumbered, you may get a kick or sucker punched that may knock you out as you're working on getting that arm bar or rear-kneck choke. That's not to say that Krav never teaches what to do on ground either-they just prefer not to deliberately take someone down to the ground. It may seem complicated to explain what I am saying because words sound much better when presenting a "theory" but "practice" means more words to type in order to describe scenarios. I guess there isn't really a martial art style that is better than the other (too much of one thing may make you predictable).
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I'm in combatives now. I love it! I have been looking into Krav Maga. I believe it's the next step in close quarters combat
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SOCP is more practical than both Krav Maga and MACP. You learn to fight standing and on the ground and how to use your rifle, pistol, and knife...with the focus of using a lesser weapon only when you are unable to use your primary weapon and how to fight to get back to your primary weapon. It also teaches you have to leverage your body against an opponent when you are in full combat kit (body armor and helmet)
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When I served we learned the standard hand to hand combat unlike the Modern Army Combatives used today. My background is in Hapkido, Taekwondo and Capoeira with some training in Thai Kickboxing and while I've had the pleasure of watching Krav Maga in action don't feel I'm qualified to say one way or another between the two. While MAC is definitely good for close-quartered standing and ground work (you should have a nasty blade to use in this case) which gives you a certain advantage over your opponent with your advanced training where Krav Maga is primarily threat neutralization, simultaneous defensive and offensive maneuvering and aggression it does not seem to offer a lot of ground work...my choice would be MAC. It is a tried and true form in my opinion for the purpose of your question.
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SGT Brenden Lee: See I enlisted in 2009 and was introduced to "Combatives" now MAC. I also heard from guys who been in long enough that our gear (armor, helmets, etc.) have only gotten heavier. What do you do in a situation where your weapon is not functioning properly, ran out of ammo, weapon is snatched, and are being escorted as a POW. We are taught to Resist as part of SERE but I hope the Army develops this area more. We are great at making necessary and efficient changes (although it may seem like forever LOL).
As I stated earlier in my post, I think I may offend somebody by questioning the validity of MAC in some disadvantageous situations (I'm not talking being "mounted" while on back either). I'm talking gun aimed at the head, knife held at the throat, split second reaction. One could actually argue that Krav Maga have been tried-and-true for a little over 85 years.
As I stated earlier in my post, I think I may offend somebody by questioning the validity of MAC in some disadvantageous situations (I'm not talking being "mounted" while on back either). I'm talking gun aimed at the head, knife held at the throat, split second reaction. One could actually argue that Krav Maga have been tried-and-true for a little over 85 years.
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SGT David Oliver: Well like I said, I really didn't think I was qualified to make a professional assessment as I don't know much about Krav Maga. After my reply last night I did do some research and watched some very informative video demonstrations and I agree that it is an incredibly beneficial art to learn. When you add realistic situations, such as being a POW, having a knife at your throat, etc., I think I would love to have it in my repertoire of disciplines. I now see it as an art that should be added to the training or incorporated into the MAC training. I really appreciate it more that I did before because the original question caused me to research it in more detail.
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any system that you know how to apply in a practical setting is the most effective. If you mindset is that your systems is the best thing ever, then you will quickly find the bigger fish that eats you. as miamoto musashi said, "It is not the weapon that matters, but the arm that wields it"
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