Posted on Nov 25, 2015
Is the concept of the Infantry Battalion Task Force viable and necessary in the Active Army?
16.2K
64
48
11
11
0
As a part of the plan to get the Active Army to 450K, we will be inactivating an Infantry Brigade Combat Team at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska and one at Fort Benning, GA. We will replace these with an "Infantry Battalion Task Force," of just over 1000 Soldiers. Our doctrine is Brigade Combat Team centric. While we have doctrine for the Infantry Battalion (FM 3-21.20), they aren't meant to operate alone. They don't have the logistics to do so for more than 24 hours even though they often do. How does a lone Infantry Battalion do everything it needs to in garrison as well? How will this thing be used in combat?
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 17
Well if we look back to the Regimental Combat teams such as the 5th RCT or the 7th RCT all these Regimental teams had all the slices; sappers, arty, med, etc. They also fought well (see Korean War) killing beau coup Chinese; much to the CHICOM's chagrin I am sure. I digress. What this concept of the BN Team is another Legion of Merit for somebody. The BLUF is: All thru history, the rifle company takes the beating and every commander and his flesh peddler throughout that history has sat around trying to figure out a way to reconstitute the rifle companies. Everyone remembers Eisenhower in 1944 trying to flesh out the rifle battalions at the cost to AAA BN's and even 'cooks". What we have here is an attempt to cover up the fact we do not have enough men with rifles and bayonets. Period. The COS of the Army the last few years has been a disgrace by not offering his resignation publically to the Senate in order for the public to see what is being done to our military. Old Fat Ray has allowed some of the most combat bloodied GO's in our history to be"RETIRED". His company grade officers with patches on the right shoulder and most significantly our hard bitten combat experienced NONCOMS are being shoved to the curb. The BCT I guess it will be called is a pipe dream. As previously mentioned all those slices must train with each other over and over. There is not enough MFP 2 money available. The SENATE probably does not know that MFP 11 money is not for training military aged Syrians...We are all so F word
(8)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
I think that by piece-mealing the draw down, we took the pain out of the process. If we knew what we had to draw down to, we should have done it in one strike. That would have set congress' hair on fire and might have produced a different result. That being said, in the latest round of cuts that this is a part, the Chief did his best to protect the brigade combat teams and combat units. The majority of cuts came from support units and headquarters.
(0)
(0)
MAJ Thomas Person
Sir
Respect your opinion. However; he is the same guy who will eventually ruin all rifle type organizations just as soon as we can lower some more physical standards to allow females in the those units. He could fire 50 GO's in procurement TODAY and nothing would happen. He did NOT protect non combat organizations. We are so so screwed
Respect your opinion. However; he is the same guy who will eventually ruin all rifle type organizations just as soon as we can lower some more physical standards to allow females in the those units. He could fire 50 GO's in procurement TODAY and nothing would happen. He did NOT protect non combat organizations. We are so so screwed
(0)
(0)
Poorly.
In our drive to "task force organize" and "modularize" everything, we are losing sight of the fact that there are minimum densities that are needed both for effectiveness AND efficiency. The only way to be truly effective as a SEPARATE IN BN TF is to be in a CONSTANT training cycle as well as have dedicated slices of (what once on a time were) DIV resources - which means you have a great deal of waste in resourcing.
Of course, I said similar things in 2004/5.... So I'm probably wrong...
In our drive to "task force organize" and "modularize" everything, we are losing sight of the fact that there are minimum densities that are needed both for effectiveness AND efficiency. The only way to be truly effective as a SEPARATE IN BN TF is to be in a CONSTANT training cycle as well as have dedicated slices of (what once on a time were) DIV resources - which means you have a great deal of waste in resourcing.
Of course, I said similar things in 2004/5.... So I'm probably wrong...
(7)
(0)
LTC (Join to see)
If it is given a full up HSC like some units used to have it might be possible, but the standard FSC isn't set up to support it like that. It sounds like it is going to have to be more of a brigade minus than a battalion plus to be effective. It's also going to be have to be hooked tightly into the Sustaiment Brigade to get direct throughout logistics. There is no way in the current modular system for it to support itself otherwise.
(3)
(0)
MAJ Donald Belles
all this reminds me of the conversations when airplanes were first invented for use in military operations because they would revolutionize warfare. what they did was to take a company rifleman and give him a new title pilot and a new gun, machine gun, and send him into the air against another rifleman turned pilot. Riflemen must be supported and anyone with an ounce of wisdom knows that 1000 soldiers at a major joint base or a huge training facility will eventually be pulled to help base personnel manage the facility when things get more strained. This is not a military doctrine but a political doctrine designed to allow more soldiers to be killed and to not be available to fight in the next conflict. This is easily done by putting the BN out on it's own and not have any significant support readily available. Since many of the latest political appointments seem not to have any military sense, this makes it easier. However, if the appointees husband or wife or child were in the BN being hung out to dry, I wonder if the decisions would be the same? What do you think? political or military doctrine? political or military decisions being made?
(0)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
SGT Mr Nails, I'm not sure about the political doctrine in relation to this one unit. The overall drawdown could be argued.
(0)
(0)
A few thoughts:
- There are several reasons at the strategic level to do or not do something. All lead to compromise solutions and not optimal solutions. A few examples are below. BLUF is that we should not just be looking at the IN BN TF as a current fight issue. We also need to be looking to the future and what might/will happen.
- Current fight. Argues against an IN BN TF because it is outside the Army's BCT centric doctrine and organization.
- Reversibility. The Army shrinks and grows over the years. We are shrinking now. I can not tell you when we will grow again but history tells me that we will grow again. It is harder to grow a BCT from nothing than it is to grow a BCT from an IN BN TF seed corn. Look to history. How was the 101st Airborne created? Not from scratch but from cadre from the 82nd Airborne. Keeping an IN BN TF in Alaska and Benning therefore allows for today's decision to more easily be reversed in the future.
- Risk. Several ways to look at risk but a few are COCOM perspective, operational domain perspective, and probability and severity perspective. With Russia flexing its muscle again, should the US really not have ground forces in Alaska at this time? If we do not, how does that impact our ability to shape, deter, defeat? Argues for keeping something.
- Hollow Army vs full readiness. Current CSA guidance is to not have a hollow Army and to achieve as much readiness as we can. Not saying this is wrong but there is an argument to be made that we should have less than fully manned organizations that we can use as the seed corn to regrow the Army when, not if, we have to.
- There are several reasons at the strategic level to do or not do something. All lead to compromise solutions and not optimal solutions. A few examples are below. BLUF is that we should not just be looking at the IN BN TF as a current fight issue. We also need to be looking to the future and what might/will happen.
- Current fight. Argues against an IN BN TF because it is outside the Army's BCT centric doctrine and organization.
- Reversibility. The Army shrinks and grows over the years. We are shrinking now. I can not tell you when we will grow again but history tells me that we will grow again. It is harder to grow a BCT from nothing than it is to grow a BCT from an IN BN TF seed corn. Look to history. How was the 101st Airborne created? Not from scratch but from cadre from the 82nd Airborne. Keeping an IN BN TF in Alaska and Benning therefore allows for today's decision to more easily be reversed in the future.
- Risk. Several ways to look at risk but a few are COCOM perspective, operational domain perspective, and probability and severity perspective. With Russia flexing its muscle again, should the US really not have ground forces in Alaska at this time? If we do not, how does that impact our ability to shape, deter, defeat? Argues for keeping something.
- Hollow Army vs full readiness. Current CSA guidance is to not have a hollow Army and to achieve as much readiness as we can. Not saying this is wrong but there is an argument to be made that we should have less than fully manned organizations that we can use as the seed corn to regrow the Army when, not if, we have to.
(2)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
That’s the prevailing argument in the building right now. These are seed units from which we can grow a BCT in the future when we have to. That being said, we are trying to build them to be functional and there is much discussion over the size and composition of the IBTF…especially in Alaska.
(0)
(0)
Sp4 Byron Skinner, Actually sir your are asking two rather very good questions here. The first is don't sweat the Battalion Combat Team. This is a formation that is never intended to go into combat. The Army prior to 1957 was organized around the Regiment. In time of little threat A Regiment was reduced to three Battalions each with a single Company or Troop. When the threat level increased each of the battalions broke up the four platoons of its trained Companies or Troops and called them companies and brought in state militias to fill then out. AIT was generally the new Companies first venture into combat. The system worked, it won wars, so the Army had to screw it up starting in 1957. The current circle j--- is the BCT lead by an 06. The BCT is a very robust unit and often has more then three battalions, I have heard of in one case in iraq of a BCT having eight battalions and another time when a marine battalion was attached to an Army BCT. An enlisted whorehouse is better run then the USArmy. The problem of course there is no command for a Brigadier General in this mess. The Regiment was removed so an 06 now reports directly to an 08. The problem here is that the 1938 triangle division is great for winning a Napoleonic War but for insurgent warfare it is to big and unwieldily. The solution to the problem is to fire all O-9 and O-10's and promote into those slots some O-5 and O- 6's who have seen the elephant and can square things away, like Marshall did. The lack of understanding of fire and maneuver of small units in an insurgent environment is totally absent for the senior members of the Chain of Command. Your other question is the roll of Alaska in the next 20-40 years with the opening of the Northwest Passage. Neither time or space for you second question sir but it is a very intriguing one.
(2)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
I'd argue that the BCT has proven quite efficient at counter-insurgency operations. The tactical level commands are very good at fighting the small war in their AO. It's the larger operational counter-insurgency strategy that is lacking. Wherever a BCT is, the problem goes away piece by piece. The problem is, that we don't have enough of them to do the job, and at the operational and strategic levels of war, we aren't getting the buy in. In order to win a counter-insurgency it takes hundreds of thousands of soldiers. A metric butt load of them. You have to canvas the entire area you are trying to rid of an insurgency and live with the poepl while the government gets its feet on the ground. The BCT did a hell of a job despite the fact that it wasn't built for this kind of war. We just needed about 25 more of them...and we needed to stay in country until the job was done. How long did we stay in Germany? Hell, they stopped trying to kill us after a short while. Anyhow, looking at a conventional threat, the BCT fares even better. I don't think the battalion has the logistical staying power it needs even with the slices that you saw in the RCT's.
(0)
(0)
SPC Byron Skinner
Sp4 Byron Skinner. For Sgt. Mr. Nails, I've been posting twice a week blog on political and military issues called "The Daily Teaspoon" for five years now. Not all thoughts are creative but when I do knowing use a source I always give credit. In regards to Wikipedia, its good, but I would never use it as a source with out some close fact checking. In regards to what I wrote above the factual parts are just regular Army history. I guess the square division(of which the current BCT is an abortion from), Triangle TO&E of the Army Division (Gen. George C. Marshall 1938) and CARS (1957 Generals Taylor, Ridgeway, Gavin "The Airborne MAFIA) is no long common knowledge among NCO's.
(2)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
SPC Byron Skinner, to get back to your original point, you are talking about using this unit as a "seed" unit. No doctrinal term for that. It's a hedge to build combat power later. There is a lot of talk in the building about these being able to do just that. Whether it is from the reserve component as a "Round-Out" unit like we saw in the '80s as the Army tried (and failed) to enforce the Total Army Force Policy or if it is from a quick build of the Army like we saw before WWII and during the surge in Iraq.
(0)
(0)
BLUF? It's a name change. I've spent 68 months of my life in full boots on the ground combat...Vietnam, Balkan, Iraq. The concept of full organizations on the ground ended in Vietnam. Forward thinking was to size any force to the conflict at hand. Reserve forces are trained to a higher standard than anytime in the past to be able to augment such 'light' active component units quickly. All three of the conflicts I've been involved in experienced a reduction in force (RIF) at conclusion. Those who left the active component were given opportunity to continue service in one of three reserve organizations...TPU, IRR/IMA or simply inactive (Troop Program Units being Tier A in nature). "Lone Battalions" are not alone...there are quite a few still left around after any conflict, although they may be part of the Reserve forces instead.
(1)
(0)
COL John Hudson
And I would like to add to my comment above. Just because we have an Army doesn't mean we have to use it. I read comments about high levels of training ready to deploy instantly. Where? For how long? For what threat? Obviously a trite comment but relevant none the less. Every crystal ball out there points to small regional type affairs; no more 'world war' or "two-front thinking." I personally believe there's too much "empire building" thinking going on at the higher levels of military across the board planning. Do we need to be prepared for conflict? Absolutely. With hugh standing armies? Not the way we're going with all of the technical hardware the skunk boys are coming up with. Consider. The computers we call fighter planes that carry our pilots right now can exceed the limits of the human body with the excessive G forces they can generate. Where does that stop? Simple. Unmanned drones can that go even faster due to eliminating the human factor. These are all excellent talking points and call for close discussion among all of our military services; Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard to stay ahead of potential world-wide flare-ups that might pull us into involvement.
(0)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
I'd prefer conflict to be resolved by politicians, but we see how that's worked out since Rome fell. The Army is smaller now than it was after WWII, but we also have much more capable equipment as you've stated...so a smaller Army makes sense. But, when it comes down to brass tacks, nothing works like an infantryman. Drones don't take and hold ground. There were a lot of people who said we'd never get in another ground war after WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc. Not a chance. It's too costly. We don't need a standing Army. Mutually assured destruction due to nuclear weapons...we don't need a standing Army. So...we need a standing Army. We need one that can hold the line in a ground war until the US can get its' reserves up and running and get new combat units built that can replace the ones that have been destroyed. There will be another ground war. War never changes...sort of.
(0)
(0)
Necessary, perhaps due to the requirement to downsize; viable no. "Plugging" into a support mechanism is not an easy feat. Support Operations Officers and BCT S4s spend countless hours developing support scenarios that are synchronized in space and time through relationships developed with support BN/SQDN XOs and S4s that take months to build. Acknowledging that they are "not meant to operate alone" implies that they would be supported by someone...if it is a BSB in a BCT, there are already acknowledged resource shortcomings across the board, as you and I discussed at great length back at Lewis; one would assume that there would be an EAB support structure required then to support; but multifunctional sustainment support does not currently exist until LOG 2020 gets fully implemented and the aligned forces are established, C2 is defined, SOPs are developed, and exercised.
(1)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
Agreed...and kids...this guy knows what he is talking about. This will be a logistics nightmare both at home and abroad. It will be necessary to include it in some other formation. That being said, all units have problems and it is up to leaders to figure it out. The challenges in this unit will be a little larger than most.
(0)
(0)
For decades the combat force at SETAF in Italy was a Battalion Task Force. It trained in garrison and deployed independently. Perhaps there are historical records that might be informative.
(1)
(0)
MSG Richard E Moore Jr
The Airborne TF (1/501 INF) at Ft Richardson in the days of the 6th ID and 172nd BDE acted as defacto Battalion TF with attached FA, ENG and MP assets. It is not a new concept for Alaska based units.
(2)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
We also had Division Cavalry Squadrons. This was in the days of the Division centric Army. Now that we've reduced to Divisions to a HQ without organic capabilities (they are assigend, not organic) do the same models hold true? It would be interesting to look into their mission requirements, METL, and the demand from the COCOMs for these units. The demand from the ASCC's would tell us if they were actually something that was a planned factor in a war plan.
(0)
(0)
1SG Harold Piet
I was in the 1/501 as Bn Motor Sgt. we were deploy-able as a Bn but we also had a Bn in Wainwright and a reserve Bn plus a full supplement of support. I felt we were ready to go to combat. I also knew we would need follow up support soon, that we were there as the front line to stop the advancement till more soldiers arrived. Airborne.
(2)
(0)
The combat in a complex world is being forced to change structures and organizations. All we need is capacities in very low level to face with the furtive enemy.
(0)
(0)
An addition to this thread...the Acting Secretary of the Army announced that the Army will keep the Airborne IBCT in Alaska for at least one more year. This stops their conversion to an Infantry Battalion Task Force for now. They would have inactivated in September of 2016, but now will inactivate on September 2017.
(0)
(0)
The one in Benning lost all of their Armor and Bradleys. I have a feeling they are going to be a second string to the rest of the BCTs. When they need a small unit for a unique mission I can see these BN TF going. Something like Kosovo or other small unit assignments. It might be more reasonable to use these types of unit than breaking up a BCT when you only need a a BN worth of soldiers.
(0)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
I can see your reasoning. We also have deployments for companies. Doesn't mean we should build stand alone companies just in case we need them. They have to be built based off of demand. That demand is from a warfighting scenario and COCOM requriements. So, while you might see a demand for a battalion by itself, there isn't a requirement for one in any war plans scenario.
(2)
(0)
CPT (Join to see)
COL (Join to see) - True but I just think the some didn't want to see all the troops of these Former units go away. I am curious to know if these BN TFs will be a part of a BCT or are they reporting to the DIV HQ.
(0)
(0)
COL (Join to see)
Now that is a good question. We don't know yet, but that's what we are trying to figure out right now.
(1)
(0)
Read This Next

Infantry
Command
