Posted on Jul 18, 2015
1LT Otis R.
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Given the current environment and specific threats does the order banning fire arms constitute an unlawful order?
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LTC John Shaw
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1LT Otis R. No, not in a workplace. The federal government is responsible to provide a safe, secure workspace and has experts to determine what levels of security are needed. I am for open carry for service members but we must also follow law and the laws are clear.
The federal directive started under George H.W. Bush and was further pushed by a Clinton 1993 DoD directive.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/
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1LT Otis R.
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Thank you LTC Shaw, great article.
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As a First Sergeant in a recruiting squadron, what happened on Thursday is why I lose sleep. My issue is we have known about these threats for a long time now. Why weren't the proper precautions made? The Army Corp of Engineers is in charge of obtaining and maintaining off base recruiting offices. It takes a long time to get blinds replaced in offices so my follow on questions are rhetorical. Why werent the windows replaced with bullet proof glass? Why doesn't each office have a camera at the front door with a door buzzer to let people in? Why aren't there barriers creating a stand off area between the outside access offices? I understand these folks are in civilian communities, but they are still military members, and they should be afforded the same rights and protections as other military members stationed on a base. If I was a recruiter right now you best believe I would carry something to protect myself. At the end of the day these hero's should be going home to their families, but because we are a reactionary entity 5 of our own will not. This one hits home and creates a very emotional response from me. God bless the 4 Marines and Sailor killed by the coward that claims his actions in the name of a religion. I pray for their families in this time of pain and loss.
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None of our members or veterans should be soft targets. We have to do a better job of protecting our own. Even if it means without the governments help.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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If it was a lawful order last week, it would still be lawful this week.

There is a great difference between "lawful" and "smart." Certainly not a smart order.
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