Posted on Jul 18, 2015
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Given the current environment and specific threats does the order banning fire arms constitute an unlawful order?
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1LT Otis R. No, not in a workplace. The federal government is responsible to provide a safe, secure workspace and has experts to determine what levels of security are needed. I am for open carry for service members but we must also follow law and the laws are clear.
The federal directive started under George H.W. Bush and was further pushed by a Clinton 1993 DoD directive.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/
The federal directive started under George H.W. Bush and was further pushed by a Clinton 1993 DoD directive.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/
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LTC John Shaw
I found an article citing the original Bush 41 decision.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/17/this-is-why-most-military-personnel-are-disarmed-on-military-bases-and-its-not-clintons-fault
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/17/this-is-why-most-military-personnel-are-disarmed-on-military-bases-and-its-not-clintons-fault
This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren’t Armed on Military Bases — and It’s Not Clinton’s Fault...
Monday's deadly shooting at the Washington Navy Yard has renewed interest in why most military personnel are forbidden from carrying firearms on military bases. In the aftermath, some have pointed fingers at former President Bill Clinton, but is he really to blame? Not according to what we found.
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As a First Sergeant in a recruiting squadron, what happened on Thursday is why I lose sleep. My issue is we have known about these threats for a long time now. Why weren't the proper precautions made? The Army Corp of Engineers is in charge of obtaining and maintaining off base recruiting offices. It takes a long time to get blinds replaced in offices so my follow on questions are rhetorical. Why werent the windows replaced with bullet proof glass? Why doesn't each office have a camera at the front door with a door buzzer to let people in? Why aren't there barriers creating a stand off area between the outside access offices? I understand these folks are in civilian communities, but they are still military members, and they should be afforded the same rights and protections as other military members stationed on a base. If I was a recruiter right now you best believe I would carry something to protect myself. At the end of the day these hero's should be going home to their families, but because we are a reactionary entity 5 of our own will not. This one hits home and creates a very emotional response from me. God bless the 4 Marines and Sailor killed by the coward that claims his actions in the name of a religion. I pray for their families in this time of pain and loss.
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SMSgt (Join to see)
None of our members or veterans should be soft targets. We have to do a better job of protecting our own. Even if it means without the governments help.
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If it was a lawful order last week, it would still be lawful this week.
There is a great difference between "lawful" and "smart." Certainly not a smart order.
There is a great difference between "lawful" and "smart." Certainly not a smart order.
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Yes and no. Technically by 2nd amendment standards, Soldiers should be able to carry firearms off duty according federal, state and local laws but while on Military installations, Military members don't have the same rights and until that changes, that's the pill that we have to swallow.
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I think we should be able to carry, but there will have to be a lot of stipulations in place to ensure that we don't accidental discharges or other issues that may arise from letting all Soldiers carry firearms. I personally wouldn't trust some of my Soldiers carrying on-post because they lack discipline and common sense.
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CW3 (Join to see)
Actually, civilians aren't allowed either to carry on military installations. A civilian would get in as much trouble as we would if caught violating this.
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OK....when I was on active duty during the first gulf war, OD’s were under arms. The OIC/NCOIC were armed at all times. This was a standard practice in units at Ft. Knox. If base commanders and brigade and up have latitude with this order why has this continued? When is a failure to act proactively against an established threat gross dereliction of duty? Thank you for your thoughts, words and wisdom.
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It's not very smart. Who better to handle firearms than those best trained?
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Is this a lawful order to not have fire arms? Yes, absolutely. There's not even a question about that.
Is it logical? No, not at all... But it's still a lawful directive
Is it logical? No, not at all... But it's still a lawful directive
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