Posted on Mar 4, 2014
CPT Lance Cutsforth
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When I left the military, I had my checklist in hand and had to go to various places to get stamps and initials so I could properly 'clear'.  One of those stops was the equivalent of an External Employment Office where there were some print outs of job listings and a couple of civilians who taught basic resume writing classes every so often.  That was pretty much all I remember.  The question is - is that enough?  Military life and civilian life are very different.  Most civilians cannot relate to the life of a soldier, and soldiers have a hard time 're-entering' civilian life.  RallyPoint is a tool in the transition process, so lets use this venue to air some thoughts and ideas. What is in place these days to help soldiers in the transition, and is it enough?  I have only touched on career transition in the dialogue here.  How about transition from hostile zones back to garrison then to civilian world?  We are put in situations that most will never face and then we are trying to assimilate into regular society and workforce.  Is there enough being done to help soldiers in that transition?
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SGT Mark Sullivan
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The only problem I have seen when I was transitioning out. The base transitioning office wanted to train me for another job, because of the nature of my Medical Discharge, Novell Network Engineering. My squad leader refused to allow me the time to train for this, as I would have had to attend training in Nashville, a 45 minute drive from Ft Campbell. I think if a soldier is transitioning out under Medical Reasons, he or she should be given time to choose and train for a job they can fulfill when they leave service.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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No.

The military does not effectively prepare soldiers to transition to civilian life when they leave the service.

Particularly the enlisted ranks.
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SSG James Mooar
SSG James Mooar
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The military cannot prepare you for transition to civilian life. It is YOUR responsibility to ensure you are ready. There are many programs to ASSIST, but ultimately it is up to you to prepare yourself!!!
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SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
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take it from me brother, I'm FIELD ARTILLERY and we get the short end of the stick so I will tell volunteer for them assignments and duties you think that will help you in the future because that what I did when I was S2 Got my TS and kept all the way through until I retired. Willing to help you all brothers and sisters, it is not easy out there.
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PO2 Rocky Kleeger
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The Navy has something called a TAP class.  Transition Assistance Program.  It is a week long class that you are allowed to take twice before getting out.  They also have a ReTAP for people retiring.  It goes through how to make a resume, VA stuff, etc.
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For the most part... NO. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Now, my answer depends on MOS/Rate, experiences and rank. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The military makes boys and girls into into men and women, and college kids into gentlemen. &nbsp;For many civilian careers, maturity is a lacking virtue. &nbsp;Further, every company needs managers, and the military produces the best managers in the world. &nbsp;Aside from the practical and educational pieces that currently lace (i.e. certifications, degrees, credits...etc) which could make a huge difference... I think a lot of the disparity comes in professional development. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The military prepares people to be in the military, rightfully so, until a few months before they get out. &nbsp;The military isn't a job, it's a lifestyle. &nbsp;Therefore, the culture of the military is one that promotes military life, not civilian life (or "nasty civilians" as we called them in the Marines). &nbsp;The Army has arguably attempted to tackle the issue with the ACAP program... but they still fall short. &nbsp;In my mind, the best way to prepare a soldier, Marine, Airman or Sailor for future successes is to build and mold them from day one. &nbsp;What do I mean by this? &nbsp;Classes and instruction should take a bit of time to address HOW the subject or material will be applied OUTSIDE of the military. &nbsp;A lot of junior military members don't think in terms of "career"... get them thinking about career, and you will have a more professional military, and more successful military members. &nbsp;</div><div>How do we do it? &nbsp;Yes, even the infantry has relate able civilian skills. &nbsp;Infantry leaders make exceptional managers... but they have to know how to lead in aggressive AND passive situations. &nbsp;The Marine Corps (to list my personal experience) is most often aggressive and RARELY passive or low-key. &nbsp;Everything we did was 110% and as fast, violent and thorough as possible. &nbsp;So what happens without some cross-pollination? &nbsp;The young Marine gets out and applies that "fast, violent and aggressive" mindset in a civilian function that looks at him like he's crazy.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The military, especially these days, needs to focus on creating diverse-thinking leaders. &nbsp;People who can operate among military and among civilian. &nbsp;I guarantee this would even solve some of the PR nightmare situations of bad behavior. &nbsp;Get everyone's minds wrapped around 3, 5, 10, 20 years from now, relate the importance of their "right now", and teach them how to be successful in the future. &nbsp;</div>
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SSG Mike Angelo
SSG Mike Angelo
10 y
My uncle was a Seabee and he died 6 months after retirement. Found dead at his home. The reality of ending one's service is not nurtured but demanding work, education, providing for family. Burning the candle at multiple ends only extinguishes the life of the candle quicker.

Transitioning to the civilian life as a former enlisted soldier, I paced myself with my uncle's lesson learned. As a family unit coming out of the military. The reality of the unknown also puts a stress on the family unit. What I would like to see is family housing for those SMs who want to go back to school. BRAC closed many bases and left housing units empty. Hello...
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LTC Chad Storlie
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A new post by me on the value of military skills for business:

http://www.everyveteranhired.com/2014/04/16/3-military-leadership-skills-will-make-invaluable-civilian-boss/

 

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LTC Chad Storlie
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Two Books on Amazon :

Authored Articles:

(1) Article about me in Georgetown Alumni Magazine - http://alumni.georgetown.edu/career/career_81.html
(5) Podcast on Translating Special Operations Skills to Business - https://soundcloud.com/#ournorthwestern/01-14-careertracks-chadstorlie
(6) Podcast on Book Combat Leader to Corporate Leader - https://soundcloud.com/#ournorthwestern/career-tracks-chad-storlie
(8) Oxford Leadership Journal - Managing & Leading in the Midst of Uncertainty - http://www.oxfordleadership.com/journal/vol2_issue1/storlie.pdf
(9) American Legion Magazine - Business Lessons of the Tuskegee Airmen - http://www.legion.org/careers/215804/tuskegee-airmen%E2%80%99s-business-lessons
(13) Denver Post - What Military Leaders Can Learn from Business Leaders - http://www.americanhomecomings.com/news/2014/02/06/military-leaders-learn-thing-two-business-leaders-column/

Featured Articles:

(2) NY Post - Operation Employment - http://nypost.com/2011/05/23/operation-employment/
(7) Atlanta Journal Constitution - Career Development for Veterans - http://www.ajc.com/news/business/career-development-for-military-veterans/nQsyL/
(9) SHRM Employing Military Personnel and Recruiting Veterans - http://hr.ucr.edu/supervisor/military_program_report_fnl.pdf
(10) SHRM - Translating Talent from Military to Civilian Jobs - http://www.shrm.org/about/news/Pages/MilitaryToCivilianJobs.aspx
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CPT Assistant Operations Officer (S3)
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Edited 10 y ago
Here at Motorola solutions we just recently developed a Veterans Business Council to target Active Duty soldiers for hiring.
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SPC Joshua Meadows
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I felt like the biggest shock to me was living in a house all alone.  No more barracks.  No more soldiers.  No more formation.  No more accountability to anything.  I literally laid on the couch, in the dark, and made no effort to do anything for several weeks (possibly even months). Except I did somehow manage to enroll in college, taking advantage of my GI Bill, which didn't mesh well with the whole laying on the couch doing nothing.  I flunked out after one semester.

With all that being said, I don't know that there is anything the military could have done to prepare me in advance for that empty lonely feeling.  I remember getting the checklists and clearing all the different stages.  I think it was just circumstantial in my case.  I've gotten involved with several organizations, such as the VA, Wounded Warrior Project, and now RP.  It helps to surround yourself with others who have (or are currently) going through a similar transition.  It's still a transition that takes some effort but at least you don't feel like you've been dumped and dealing with it all solo.
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TSgt Kevin Buccola
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As one who is retired and went through the TAP programs etc, I had no idea how to write a resume TAP helped me.  But also in the recent years the Government and VA has pushed programs like VAforVets, VaCareers, Hiring our Heroes job fairs etc. 

 

But remember this...The military is doing the best they can to point you in the right direction...now you need to help yourselves...I talk to a lot of veterans who say I deserve this position now hire me....Then I look at the resume and wonder why should I hire you.  You resume is written in crayon.

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SPC Eric Chambers
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It's not what the Army is or isn't doing... It's what is the individual doing. I always knew there had to be a better way than 9-5 after the Army but it took me a few years to find it. Now that I have corp America can Kiss It ! What so many fail to realize is theirs more than just a J O B ( What We Marketers Like To Call Just Over BROKE ) out their & a change of mindset is key. The economy is shifting to ONLINE & that is just reality. I don't care what you may have heard before from someone who may have tried & failed & then QUIT & then goes & says O that don't work. I will stand here & tell you I FAILED several times because I did not know what I was doing. But I learned how the right way to work a home business. I found the right leadership, team, company & people to follow. A famous Army Quote "It Behooves Of You" If you want to find Success after the Military My team would gladly help you with that. Looking for a job is not the answer & Yes I have other business partners who are also Veterans themselves. The way of the future is online home based businesses. If you want help & to know more I'm more than HAPPY to help you just have to reach out for it. My email [login to see]  
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CPT Lance Cutsforth
CPT Lance Cutsforth
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Thank you SPC Chambers for your insight.  I totally agree that we need to take our future into our own hands.  I also teach veterans, military members, and military families how to establish and own their own businesses.  I applaud any who take the initiative to garner control of their own financial future.  There are many vehicles out there - the key is finding one that fits your financial goals, skill set, and expectations.  It looks like you found yours - congratulations to your success and for being an example to other veterans and service members.
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