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Posted on Jan 2, 2020
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A Soldier took APFT before going to BLC (scored 280). Went to BLC took another APFT (scored 210). The school house updated the PT scores (210) on DTMS which resulted in this Soldier losing a lot of promotion points. Is the Unit obligated to updating the PT card prior to BLC so he can recover the promotion points? Training room is being difficult!
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CSM Eric Olsen
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Looks like you already discovered this but NCO academies are now required to update all PT and HT/WT stats in DTMS. It is one of TRADOCs ways to increase academic rigor, and frankly because many of the units are not sending their folks to school-prepared which this requirement also holds them accountable.
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That's very interesting, thanks for the update CSM!
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
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Edited 6 y ago
The most recent score is the current score.
Entering a previous score does not help for points.
Also, an APFT prior to BLC might have been a diagnostic for school, not record, and therefore not necessary in DTMS and certainly not points for promotion, and would be the reason why your unit would not enter it in DTMS, or they did enter it as a diagnostic, which is why you don't see the points.

What you should be looking into at your unit is grading standards for the APFT; if a Soldier scores 280 at your unit then only scores a 210 a short time later at BLC, then it's likely you have graders at your unit that do not understand the standard for pushups and situps, and/or your 2mi run route is too short.
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How do you go from a 280 to a 210???? That is his fault for staying physically conditioned. He did that to himself. Unless say he was in an accident or got injured in that time gap.
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SGT (Join to see) this whole thing just doesn't really add up.
I have never hurd of someone reporting to BLC at 0200.......
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MSG Logistics Analyst
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SGT (Join to see) - And this was after he walked uphill both ways through the snow just to get there? haha. Wow.
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SSG Squad Leader
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SSgt Joseph Baptist tracking but I'm skeptical of 0200 in processing at blc...then taking an apft..
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SSgt Joseph Baptist maybe shed a little more light on my failed integrity check. Cant get a no go at "your station" if it was actually a "station" to begin with.
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Is the Unit obligated to update the PT card that a SPC (P) took before going to BLC or should the most recent PT card from BLC be updated?
SFC Casey O'Mally
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For all those asking how you go from 280 to 210, the answer is simple. On the 210, you were only concerned with passing.
WAY back when it was still PLDC, I was a 285 PT guy (100, 85, 100 with time to spare on run and PU). When I went to PLDC, I was sub- 200. I knew I wasn't competing for Iron NCO, because I wasn't on the extended scale. So I did 45 picture perfect push-ups in sets of ONE. I made absolutely sure every one would be counted and there would be no question about each push up. This was actually ENCOURAGED by the cadre. I did 55 sit-ups and stopped, saving my energy for the run. APFT was on a Monday - the previous Friday evening the Commander literally ripped my profile in half - I had been off crutches for less than a week with a sprained ankle. I was worried about the run. I ended up running it in the low 15s. I ended up with a 63, 63, 70. 196 - and I was nowhere near alone in my class.
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The most recent PT card is the soliders new pt score. I would ask for another test prior to the board.
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I was going to say exactly this same thing.
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Sounds like they need to take another PT test if they want to recover those promotion points. I don’t understand how you drop down to 210 from a 280 though.
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Well when you take an APFT that’s your current physical condition so that is what you should be evaluated by as a promotion. The soldier must maintain physical conditioning at all times. Not just when his or her packet is submitted.

Your most recent For Record APFT DA 705 should be updated in IPERMS and DTMS. It is the soldiers responsibility to uptade their promotion packet as a means of integrity.

The soldier may take another APFT upon returning from BLC to recover.
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I believe only your unit commander can issue a for record PT Test. It also has to be stated prior to the test that it is for record. If it wasn't for record they don't update it.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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The most recent counts. It is for record, unless otherwise stated just like with the unit. That dramatic of a drop is indicative of other possibilities, all can fill in the blank. His current score is what it is. Thank you for your service.
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1SG Automated Logistical Specialist
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The one taken at BLC will count, to me this look like a situation where the units grade different than BLC.
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