Posted on Aug 17, 2016
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SFC Garrison Staff Training Nco
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There is the ACASP (Army Civilian Aquired Skills Program)
http://www.army-portal.com/jobs/acasp.html
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LTC Tim Ellis
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SFC Cornett, thanks for the response. I was asked this question by a young RC Soldier that wasn't getting much feedback from his unit.
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SFC Ronnie Simonsen
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I was in recruiting command for 14 years and enlisted several under ACASP, Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program. Details can be found in AR 601-210 and DA PAM 611-21(MOS specific requirements). Some will allow for "skipping" all of AIT or portions of AIT. Depends on the MOS. Usually, there is an education, certification, experience in civilian job or a combination. 91B is one of the MOS's but there are too many in the program for me to list all of them. Most are vocational trade type jobs and the rest are in the medical field.
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LTC Tim Ellis
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SFC Simonsen, thanks for the info.
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LTC Tim Ellis
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Thanks again for the responses. I found the info I needed to pass on to the Soldier.
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Is there a policy or procedure to award an MOS based on civilian education (example: diesel certification for 91B)?
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I built houses with my father for years before I attending AIT for carpentry/masonary specialist, but back then we still had to train on demolition and land mines, they don't do that anymore so I would have breezed thru the construction portion now. I actually knew things the instructors did not know, so I got to enlighten them on a few aspects.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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90% of the constuction units are reserve, I was attached to a pipeline unit to build bridges and shelters over the pumps, but they took those positions out now, pipeline units do not build their own lines now.
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Note alot of the constuction units in the reserves, those guys build for a living, some are really good carpenters. But the school house does not teach finish work or anything like that, just how to measure cut, nail a rough structure together.
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SSgt Carpenter
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SFC (Join to see) - They were NG, but so am I, and I take my MOS pretty seriously. I was quite disappointed in this particular unit.
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SSgt Carpenter
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"But the school house does not teach finish work or anything like that, just how to measure cut, nail a rough structure together."
That is what I wondered. The skill level seemed to be what I would expect from summer labor.
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SFC J Fullerton
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Yes sir, it is called the Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program (ACASP). AR 601-210 covers it. This applies to new recruits enlisting. There are specific requirements for each MOS that is applicable. 91B is one. Most require a combination of formal training from an accredited institution plus job experience, some just the training. In most cases, they do not attend AIT but have to go through a certification procedure. Depends on MOS, but advanced pay grades do apply. Ie, enter as E3 and automatic advancement to E4 after certification. You can find more info on ACASP at goarmy.com
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LTC Tim Ellis
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thanks SFC Fullerton, I had heard of this but didn't see anything in 350-1, so I'll check out your recommendations there.
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does this apply to soldiers who are already in and need to relcass?
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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There used to a program referred to as Civilian Acquired Skills. As I recall for the NG there was a NG regulation that explained the process. What we did with a soldier is they brought in their Work History, education, and what other supporting documents. Submitted a 4187, requesting the soldier pick up MOS X, as a secondary MOS. Then once Awarded we put them in the slot that was vacant with the newly reassigned MOS and made that the primary.
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SFC George Smith
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91-B used to be medics...
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LTC Tim Ellis
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I believe that transitioned to 68W. The maintainers are 91 series now, 91A-Abrams tank, 91B-light wheel, 91M-Bradley are the ones I'm most familiar with as an armor guy.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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Edited 8 y ago
I knew a few that traded what was then called "Skills for Stripes." If they came in with a certain set of skills and all the certs to go with a particular MOS, then all they had to do was Basic and call it good. A welder in my Engineer unit (58th CEC) that did that, along with a medic I knew in Germany.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
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There will always be an aspect of the job that is specifically military, so it would be very difficult to award an MOS strictly on civilian experience and education, with no knowledge of the military part.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Edited 8 y ago
In general NO, but there have been programs for a specific career field like Medical Doctor that can allow the civilian training and certs to accepted in lieu of training while in the military already when need far outpaced availability. Id bet something like pilots of the off the shelf commercial AC used by military would be another likley possibility of a direct commission and award of a career field. and it would not surprise me to find out there was a like program when needed for an obscure enlisted MOS that allowed a civilian training to be used in place of the military equivalent...but I dont know of one specifically.
Construction trades would be a likley candidate for that as operating a backhoe is the same no matter what the uniform you're wearing, same as swinging framing hammer or operating a skill saw. But again in the modern army im not aware of any opportunities.
Recruiters, what say you? This is your lane
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SGM Barry Kindred
SGM Barry Kindred
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There was in my time.
It was called the CASP. Civilian Aquired Skills Program.
80s
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGM Erik Marquez
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SGM Barry Kindred - I joined in 85 under the DEPP... Dumb Enlisted Privates Program....
But thanks for the confirmation, I figured they had to be a program like that, no idea if it's still operational. You would think Band members, Pilots, construction folks.. but who knows.
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SGM Barry Kindred
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SGM Erik Marquez - Band members was the one mostly used while I was a recruiter. Great program that has merits.
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