Posted on Jun 1, 2017
Is there a regulation that states that I have to sign for equipment?
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I worry because for my units recent deployment I was signed for a lot of equipment, that equipment was locked in a room that I had no access to. We're having a change of command, so we have to do a inventory. However, that voids the 2062's to me. They want me to sign again, still not having a key, I worry about accountability. What are the consequences if I refuse to sign for items I can't access?
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If your command is wanting you to hand receipt equipment that you CANNOT have access to in order to maintain accountability, then I would recommend you DO NOT sign for said equipment or at least fight tooth and nail to have access before you sign. Because, if you sign for it and it goes missing, even though you don't have access to the room, you will STILL be held accountable.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
MSG (Join to see) - In the long run, it probably saved my butt. When this finally came to the attention of the Brigade Commander on how things went down, he about had a cow. The downside of the National Guard can be a good old boy network among the full timers.
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Do not sign for it period. Fill out a sworn statement and have them sign that you have no access to the equipment, then sign for it with that sworn statement removing you of financial liability. This happens in the Reserves too often. And a FLIPL is always right around the corner.
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Yes - AR 735-5 and AR 710-2. AR 735-5 shows the property accountability/responsibility "food chain" (photo), and AR 710-2 directs commanders to sub hand receipt equipment down to the user level. We'll use a tool kit for an example.
Your squad leader or platoon sergeant hand receipts all the squad/platoon equipment from the commander as the supervisor. He/she then sub hand receipts specific equipment to the individuals who will be using them - the user.
The tool kit is for your personal use in maintaining your unit's equipment. In order to keep the tools secure, you are allowed to put a lock on it and retain the keys.
However, tool kits and hand tools are considered to be pilferable items, and therefore require additional security. As a result, your platoon sergeant/squad leader requires them to be locked in the platoon/squad storage area at the end of the day. He/she, as the section supervisor, controls access to the storage area, and only lets you pull out your tool kit when it's required.
This also helps protect you - if you complete an inventory before your tool kit is locked up (AND YOU SHOULD, especially since the new toolkits make it simple), then anything thing missing the next time the storage area is opened is not your responsibility - you couldn't access the storage area.
Your squad leader or platoon sergeant hand receipts all the squad/platoon equipment from the commander as the supervisor. He/she then sub hand receipts specific equipment to the individuals who will be using them - the user.
The tool kit is for your personal use in maintaining your unit's equipment. In order to keep the tools secure, you are allowed to put a lock on it and retain the keys.
However, tool kits and hand tools are considered to be pilferable items, and therefore require additional security. As a result, your platoon sergeant/squad leader requires them to be locked in the platoon/squad storage area at the end of the day. He/she, as the section supervisor, controls access to the storage area, and only lets you pull out your tool kit when it's required.
This also helps protect you - if you complete an inventory before your tool kit is locked up (AND YOU SHOULD, especially since the new toolkits make it simple), then anything thing missing the next time the storage area is opened is not your responsibility - you couldn't access the storage area.
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Do NOT sign unless you have personally accounted for every item and sub component. If they try to force you, do NOT stay silent... Talk to the Command. Do NOT let anyone bully you into signing for something sight unseen. If it's your company, talk to the BN Command Team. Generally the Company doesn't want shady stuff being exposed, so they'll relent before you go anywhere near the BN....
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