Posted on Nov 19, 2020
Is there a way to submit anything to get my MOS-Q after being chaptered out with an honorable and an RE3, but wasn’t awarded the MOS-Q?
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Hi everyone so long story, went through basic and failed pt test at 25S ait and got chaptered out with an honorable and an RE3, working with a recruiter to come back in (I’ve gotten back in shape and can 100% pass the new acft) anyways I completed my 25S training but wasn’t awarded the MOS-Q since my chapter was already processing but it’s all on my JST that I’ve completed all the training for it. I was in for more then 180 days so I’m considered prior service for the reenlistment. My questions are is there a way to submit anything to get my MOS-Q? And even if I don’t will I still be treated as a prior service/MOS-T in what ever ait I go to once I get back in? Or will they just throw me back in with the IET soldiers? (Really wouldn’t want that because 30 weeks at Gordon was trash as a trainee and I would hopefully like to already live with my wife from the get home if the ait is long enough) thanks in advance for any answers
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25S: Satellite Communication Systems Operator/Maintainer
Re-enlistmentAIT Prior Service RE Code 25S: Satellite Communication Systems Operator/Maintainer
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You didn't graduate so you are not qualified in that MOS. APFT is a requirement for graduation from AIT. You completed the academic portion of AIT which is why it's on your JST. You failed to meet the requirements to be awarded the MOS.
The only person who can award you the MOS is the MOS proponent at the schoolhouse. You can email them and ask, but they will tell you that since you failed to graduate you were not awarded the MOS and they will no award it for you.
The only person who can award you the MOS is the MOS proponent at the schoolhouse. You can email them and ask, but they will tell you that since you failed to graduate you were not awarded the MOS and they will no award it for you.
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Didn't meet the full set of requirements. Didn't graduate. Therefore, no MOS was awarded. Therefore, you are not MOS-Q.
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SFC (Join to see)
I don’t know why it’s so hard for these people to understand. You. Didn’t. Finish. The. Course. And that includes ALL graduation requirements.
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You have an RE3, good luck getting back in to active duty. Reserves or guard maybe.
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SGT (Join to see)
RE3 really isn’t a show stopper getting back into RA. You just have to be willing to take what ever job is offered to you at MEPS.
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A1C Jesse Severns
I can pass the apft my recruiter is gonna give me and he has no doubt the waiver will get approved so I’m not to worried about that, but I’d like to know if I’ll get my MOS-Q or not or if I’m gonna be treated like a prior at ait or if I’m gonna be an IET trainee again
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SGM Bill Frazer
Damnit son- the recruiter hopes, you think- The request as to go up the channels, and anybody up the chain can shoot it down. YOU FAILED- part of the AIT graduation requirements to pass the AFPT at a certain level. The service wasted 30weeks of pay, training, time on you and you let then down. Why would they want to try again? Also there may not be any slots open for 25 series, that's a gamble. The service, with the exception of re-cycles, does not have do overs, 2nd chances, etc. Afraid you will probably be very disappointed.
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A1C Jesse Severns
Shoot you’re right, hadn’t even considered the pt test as a requirement for the mos-q, and I was already prepared to not get 25 series again, I was just hoping if they do approve the waiver, my next ait would be a little better SGM Bill Frazer
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The only way they can submit for your MOS Award Orders is with a 1059 and certificate from the school. If its not in your IPERMS and was not recorded on your DD214, I fear you are going to have to do AIT over again, but you would be considered Prior Service though, at least that is my understanding.
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A1C Jesse Severns
Do you think having my recruiter call the school house or my old company they’d be able to get him the certificate?
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MSgt (Join to see)
SFC Steven Borders just to clarify. He is a Glossary Prior Service which the Army should just get rid of if they're going to just be treated as a NPS
Army
"The Army defines "prior service" as any applicant with more than 180 days of military service, or those who graduated from military job-training (MOS/AFSC/Rating), regardless of time-in-service. Individuals with less than 180 days of military service, and/or those who have not completed military job-training are classified as "Glossary Prior Service," and are processed the same as non-prior service recruits and given an RE Code (or receive a waiver) on their DD Form 214."
Army
"The Army defines "prior service" as any applicant with more than 180 days of military service, or those who graduated from military job-training (MOS/AFSC/Rating), regardless of time-in-service. Individuals with less than 180 days of military service, and/or those who have not completed military job-training are classified as "Glossary Prior Service," and are processed the same as non-prior service recruits and given an RE Code (or receive a waiver) on their DD Form 214."
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Are you going in with the same MOS or giving a shot to a different one? If the same MOS, then it will be up the school house, not the recruiter, to see if they give you credit for whatever you already completed. All based on how long ago, (even a few months can make a difference), your performance at it, any changes in the POIs, and whatever they might coma with; don't hold your breath. Now, the fact it shows on your JST it means, like you mentioned, you completed the training and the schoolhouse gave you credit but somehow did not make it to your DD214. Curious if you ask me.
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A1C Jesse Severns
I was already waiting on orders out of the army by my graduation. So all the paper work was already in motion. And they don’t give you the diploma until you PCS so I never received mine since I didn’t PCS to my first assaigent.MAJ Javier Rivera
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A1C Jesse Severns
*they don’t give it to you right away at the company I was at anyways A1C Jesse Severns
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MAJ Javier Rivera
A1C Jesse Severns - things have change since I went thru initial entry training. Back then we got all of our paper work immediately after graduation; right there and then. But that was 30 years ago.
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Your unit may be able to send you to an MOS-T. A lot of things have changed.
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SFC (Join to see)
I’m not sure how this would work enlisting without completing your IET. If your recruiter is willing to do the leg work and contact your initial training AIT, they may be able to award the MOS if all tasks were completed, tests passed, and you were present for all training. I can only assume if all those were not met, you wouldn’t be eligible for the MOS and may have to complete an AIT.
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A1C Jesse Severns
Yeah when they started processing my chapter they never pulled me from my classes, I passed both portions of 25S training common core and strat,and all the training is on my JST, I know I won’t be going back in as a 25S but atleast being MOSQ would make it less suck to go back to ait SFC (Join to see)
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A1C Jesse Severns it may require a letter writing campaign in your part to see if they can award the MOS based off the school’s records. It’s worth a try but I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
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Hi Jesse,
Sorry to break it to you, you're a non-prior or more specifically a "glossary non-prior service"
Army
"The Army defines "prior service" as any applicant with more than 180 days of military service, or those who graduated from military job-training (MOS/AFSC/Rating), regardless of time-in-service. Individuals with less than 180 days of military service, and/or those who have not completed military job-training are classified as "Glossary Prior Service," and are processed the same as non-prior service recruits and given an RE Code (or receive a waiver) on their DD Form 214."
You didn't completely job training so you'll be processed as a NPS IE back to MEPS and with the RE3 will have a harder time getting in full active duty as a few have mentioned.
Sorry to break it to you, you're a non-prior or more specifically a "glossary non-prior service"
Army
"The Army defines "prior service" as any applicant with more than 180 days of military service, or those who graduated from military job-training (MOS/AFSC/Rating), regardless of time-in-service. Individuals with less than 180 days of military service, and/or those who have not completed military job-training are classified as "Glossary Prior Service," and are processed the same as non-prior service recruits and given an RE Code (or receive a waiver) on their DD Form 214."
You didn't completely job training so you'll be processed as a NPS IE back to MEPS and with the RE3 will have a harder time getting in full active duty as a few have mentioned.
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MSgt (Join to see)
A1C Jesse Severns and FYI you scored at or over 117 Electronic being approved for the 25S Satellite Comm MOS.
I was Army for 11 years. I'll save you the headache and just join Space Force as a Geospatial Intelligence. I'd shop around. Its almost like restart that no one else can achieve.
I love the Army, but they are unsympathetic or just plain apathetic when it comes to regulations IE my divorce/PTSD leading to lack of motivation and eventual PT failure, but zero Fs given to readjust back, and I was an E6.
Keep it in mind. Transferred to Air Force and never looked back.
I was Army for 11 years. I'll save you the headache and just join Space Force as a Geospatial Intelligence. I'd shop around. Its almost like restart that no one else can achieve.
I love the Army, but they are unsympathetic or just plain apathetic when it comes to regulations IE my divorce/PTSD leading to lack of motivation and eventual PT failure, but zero Fs given to readjust back, and I was an E6.
Keep it in mind. Transferred to Air Force and never looked back.
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A1C Jesse Severns
I scored a 90 on my asvab, I just didn’t think that the Air Force would even consider me at this point, I was originally gonna join but a friend talked me into the army, would you have any advice for trying to get into the air/space force instead?MSgt (Join to see)
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MSgt (Join to see)
A1C Jesse Severns currently there are no Space Force Reserves, but having a 90 ASVAB is a huge first step. The RE3 code is waiverable especially if its just for PT, but like anything military, everything always changes.
Talk to recruiters and be up front of your situation. Air Force Reserves and Air Guard will have faster waiver opportunities so definitely shop. Don't throw your 300 days of active duty points go to waste.
The nice thing with the Air Force is how easy you can transfer from AFSC (MOS) to AFSC once you're in. They have no problem reclassing Airmen if you qualify.
Talk to recruiters and be up front of your situation. Air Force Reserves and Air Guard will have faster waiver opportunities so definitely shop. Don't throw your 300 days of active duty points go to waste.
The nice thing with the Air Force is how easy you can transfer from AFSC (MOS) to AFSC once you're in. They have no problem reclassing Airmen if you qualify.
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A1C Jesse Severns
Is it a possibility to go from guard or reserve to active? And which one would be more beneficial to join?MSgt (Join to see)
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