Posted on Apr 27, 2016
Is there an AR stating that a Specialist has to go to parade rest for a Specialist?
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I'm am a specialist assigned to a infantry unit, in my squad we have two team leaders who are also specialist. I respect that they are team leaders. But lately they have been giving corrective training for not going to parade rest or by not addressing them as specialist when I myself am a specialist. Is there an army regulation or anything supporting there actions?
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Its an infantry thing, I’ve delt with it too. It’s common practice. The self discipline in the infantry is something that you will vaguely see alseware throughout every army mos.
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http://gordon.army.mil/sharp/downloads/Army_Command_Policy_AR_600-20.pdf
Command directed authority. If a specialist gives a lawful order to a subordinate lower enlisted within his direct chain of command (ie: the direct reports within his team / squad) the subordinate must comply. At minimum, A specialist is not an NCO, but his / her authority is derived as an extension of the next level within the chain of command. I suppose, in the end though, it depends on the level of discipline for the specific unit.
Command directed authority. If a specialist gives a lawful order to a subordinate lower enlisted within his direct chain of command (ie: the direct reports within his team / squad) the subordinate must comply. At minimum, A specialist is not an NCO, but his / her authority is derived as an extension of the next level within the chain of command. I suppose, in the end though, it depends on the level of discipline for the specific unit.
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The Platoon Sergeant should be asking for CPL appointments …..that will settle the issue. My personal view is you NEVER put someone that get's promoted in charge of Soldiers that they worked with/team buddies. Move them to a different squad or platoon......
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You must learn to follow, to be a good leader. Respect your team leaders, their job is hard enough. They are young leaders learning just as you are. Your turn to lead will come soon enough, respect is earned. So be willing to show respect, to these young leaders, I bet when it is your turn to lead you will also appreciate young Soldiers showing you the same respect.
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It’s kind of funny, but the only people who seem to be having a negative response to this question is specialists and privates. Jealous much???
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You do not need and AR what you need is a definition of Respect for Authority I believe when you enlisted you took an oath and it said your would follow the orders of dah, dah, dah, or anyone appointed above me (or something like that) either way you have admitted they are Team Leaders by position of Authority they can require such actions of you. As Far as the corrective Training I think that should be reserved for the NCO in charge of them until they are pinned Hard strip and complete a leadership course. Just my thoughts not the law.
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I'm pretty sure there are two reasons you should go to parade rest. One is if the person in question is an NCO or higher. That's the most obvious.
The second isnt so obvious but makes perfect sense. Even if you hold the same rank as your leader, this person is still in a position of authority over you. Whether or not there is a regulation for it, in my opinion, an E-3 or E-4 in an E-5 or E-6 slot should be treated with the same respect as someone with the actual rank. Responsibility was delegated to them and NCOs should back these E-4s up. You shouldnt let your pride fly in the face of their authority.
To give a little perspective, In Korea back in 2008 there was a shortage of incoming NCOs for our MOS. Didn't matter that one of our sections had 2 SSGs, They weren't the same MOS as our section, so I was put into an E-5 Team Chief slot as a PFC for an indefinite period of time (turned out to be about 3 or 4 months) until an E-5 could be transferred in. During that time, I did everything an NCO would do including counseling statements. The NCOs backed up everything I did as if I were an actual NCO and my team (which had other PFCs in the mix) respected my position and did everything I required of them. I never put any at parade rest because I had some great guys and because as a PFC because I felt that was a little over the top versus being a SPC and doing the same, but I see no reason why they shouldnt have gone to that position if I had told them to for the duration of time I held that E-5 slot.
The second isnt so obvious but makes perfect sense. Even if you hold the same rank as your leader, this person is still in a position of authority over you. Whether or not there is a regulation for it, in my opinion, an E-3 or E-4 in an E-5 or E-6 slot should be treated with the same respect as someone with the actual rank. Responsibility was delegated to them and NCOs should back these E-4s up. You shouldnt let your pride fly in the face of their authority.
To give a little perspective, In Korea back in 2008 there was a shortage of incoming NCOs for our MOS. Didn't matter that one of our sections had 2 SSGs, They weren't the same MOS as our section, so I was put into an E-5 Team Chief slot as a PFC for an indefinite period of time (turned out to be about 3 or 4 months) until an E-5 could be transferred in. During that time, I did everything an NCO would do including counseling statements. The NCOs backed up everything I did as if I were an actual NCO and my team (which had other PFCs in the mix) respected my position and did everything I required of them. I never put any at parade rest because I had some great guys and because as a PFC because I felt that was a little over the top versus being a SPC and doing the same, but I see no reason why they shouldnt have gone to that position if I had told them to for the duration of time I held that E-5 slot.
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This can be a really difficult situation. I was a 25U in a combat unit. At the company level the commo guy is supposed to be a SGT. They work directly with the XO and 1SG to keep commo supplies on hand, communications working and is directly responsible for training for the troop. Attending training meetings, scheduling training time. To make this worse my wife is the FRG leader for the troop as the 1SG is single (wife and I are both older).
So flash forward to Iraq (my second deployment with this troop) and the commander makes it clear that I'm to be referred to as "specialist" and anyone that wakes me up for bullshit has him to deal with. Makes for an uncomfortable situation as someone that joined with significant civilian managerial and supervisory experience it made me uncomfortable, it wasn't really my leadership style. But I did hold an E5 position and I was put in charge of commo and the armory for the troop. How did I deal with the situation? I made SGT as quickly as I could, then moved up to Squadron so I could continue to work 2 up. Did that fix the problem? Kinda I still had to fill in for the PSG and Sigo often, but at least I felt better about it having stripes.
So flash forward to Iraq (my second deployment with this troop) and the commander makes it clear that I'm to be referred to as "specialist" and anyone that wakes me up for bullshit has him to deal with. Makes for an uncomfortable situation as someone that joined with significant civilian managerial and supervisory experience it made me uncomfortable, it wasn't really my leadership style. But I did hold an E5 position and I was put in charge of commo and the armory for the troop. How did I deal with the situation? I made SGT as quickly as I could, then moved up to Squadron so I could continue to work 2 up. Did that fix the problem? Kinda I still had to fill in for the PSG and Sigo often, but at least I felt better about it having stripes.
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