Posted on Aug 10, 2019
Is there an army regulation to enforce an E4 specialist to be allowed to her job?
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As the only E4 74D in a transportation unit my job duties include maintaining the CBRN cage and all that is within it such as Gas masks, JCADs, and Radiac sets... etc. As the only 74D in the unit I fall under supply. For the past few years I have not been allowed or given the resources I need to do my job. My supply sergeant instead tasks me out for her needs with the idea that supply is more important. Now that this has been ongoing for multiple years the CBRN section is a colossal mess and I have received a negative counseling statement for it. This entire situation could have been avoided if I was allowed to do my job and after years of trying I’ve come to the conclusion that I am a powerless E4 with no way of in forcing the need to do my job but can get in trouble for not doing it.
So my question is are there any army regulations that I can use to my advantage that will simply allow me to put my cbrn job before my sergeants supply needs.
I want to state that I do not care one bit to help out in supply once I have completed my CBRN tasks. I just want the ability to actually complete my CBRN tasks so I don’t get in trouble.
So my question is are there any army regulations that I can use to my advantage that will simply allow me to put my cbrn job before my sergeants supply needs.
I want to state that I do not care one bit to help out in supply once I have completed my CBRN tasks. I just want the ability to actually complete my CBRN tasks so I don’t get in trouble.
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I sympathize with you and I know what you are going through all too well. I was in an almost identical situation as a 68E in a company almost entirely comprised of 68Ws. My immediate supervisor was a behavioral health tech, my squad leader was a physical therapy tech and my PSG was a medic. I was in charge of the only dental equipment set in my brigade and this set was a critical part of our role 2 operations.
In the beginning, I was often tasked out to help organize the medic’s equipment, leaving little time to learn or manage my own. This led to a very unorganized cyclic inventory with commander. It went poorly and my platoon PSG was taken around the corner and chewed out by the commander. After he got his, the PSG made his way to me and I got mine lol. At the end of the butt chewing, he told me to “fix it”. I waiting a few days for him to cool off and, with my squad leader in tow, I presented a plan to organize all of the subsets in the dental section to aid with the next inventory. I also, respectfully, stated that I didn’t have much of a chance to learn my equipment because I was always tasked out to help the medics. Long story short, the PSG gave me 3 months ( the time period before NIE) to fix it. He also gave explicit orders to all the NCOs in the platoon to not put me on any tastings without specifically asking him (or the PL).
I needed every bit of those 3 months to fix that cluster but during the next inventory, my section passed with flying colors.
I’m not sure if there is an explicit regulation that you can quote in order to get time to work on your section, but I would suggest that you bring your concerns up through your NCO support channel until you reach a person who will be receptive and help you. The CBRN section is very important and your rank doesn’t make it any less of a priority in regards to other sections. You are the SME and you should be treated as such as it relates to your section.
In the beginning, I was often tasked out to help organize the medic’s equipment, leaving little time to learn or manage my own. This led to a very unorganized cyclic inventory with commander. It went poorly and my platoon PSG was taken around the corner and chewed out by the commander. After he got his, the PSG made his way to me and I got mine lol. At the end of the butt chewing, he told me to “fix it”. I waiting a few days for him to cool off and, with my squad leader in tow, I presented a plan to organize all of the subsets in the dental section to aid with the next inventory. I also, respectfully, stated that I didn’t have much of a chance to learn my equipment because I was always tasked out to help the medics. Long story short, the PSG gave me 3 months ( the time period before NIE) to fix it. He also gave explicit orders to all the NCOs in the platoon to not put me on any tastings without specifically asking him (or the PL).
I needed every bit of those 3 months to fix that cluster but during the next inventory, my section passed with flying colors.
I’m not sure if there is an explicit regulation that you can quote in order to get time to work on your section, but I would suggest that you bring your concerns up through your NCO support channel until you reach a person who will be receptive and help you. The CBRN section is very important and your rank doesn’t make it any less of a priority in regards to other sections. You are the SME and you should be treated as such as it relates to your section.
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No problem at all. You can do it. Fight, respectfully, for your section.
No problem at all. You can do it. Fight, respectfully, for your section.
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SPC (Join to see) if your supervisor is the Supply Sergeant, and you were negatively counseled about the NBC room, who counseled you? What issues were in the counseling? What was the plan of action?
If your Supply Sergeant counseled you, seems sort of like a boomerang booger flick. If it was your First Sergeant or HQ Platoon Sergeant, I'd go back to them for the follow up counseling with a plan to fix the problems to get the time and support to do it. Who does the supply Sergeant work for directly? 1SG or Commander? At the end of the day, the Commander is responsible for it.
Have you stood a command inspection on the NBC room? It would normally put you in Proximity to the BN CBRN who may able to influence your CoC.
With out more info, I can't give you more advice. My reaction would be to go back to who counseled me with a plan of action and request resources to enable your plan. As far as a regulation 600-20, which your commander has ordered your 1SG, Supply Sergeant, and you do do certain things and their general authority as NCOs makes them responsible for them, including your NBC room.
If your Supply Sergeant counseled you, seems sort of like a boomerang booger flick. If it was your First Sergeant or HQ Platoon Sergeant, I'd go back to them for the follow up counseling with a plan to fix the problems to get the time and support to do it. Who does the supply Sergeant work for directly? 1SG or Commander? At the end of the day, the Commander is responsible for it.
Have you stood a command inspection on the NBC room? It would normally put you in Proximity to the BN CBRN who may able to influence your CoC.
With out more info, I can't give you more advice. My reaction would be to go back to who counseled me with a plan of action and request resources to enable your plan. As far as a regulation 600-20, which your commander has ordered your 1SG, Supply Sergeant, and you do do certain things and their general authority as NCOs makes them responsible for them, including your NBC room.
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My supply sergeant gave me the negative counseling statement over me not doing my job. At the end of the counseling she asked me if I had any comments and my comments were That this would not be an issue if she gave me the time and support Required for my job rather than Me solely supporting supply. Our XO was in the room as a witness and she agreed with me, because she knows my situation .
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SPC (Join to see) - sounds like you need to talk to the XO. Have a plan of action. Make it less about what your NCO does to you and more about what you need to fix it. Your NCO can whip you over the NBC room, but they are responsible for your success and the readiness of the NBC room. The XO should wade into this with the 1SG and Supply Sergeant.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 4856 have a plan of corrective action and follow up sections on the back? I'd come back with the unsolicited plan to fix it and submit it with an MFR to respond to the 4856, that you are formally requesting resources to support said plan. Make sure the XO has a copy. Ensure you have a written plan. Otherwise it can be dismissed as whining.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 4856 have a plan of corrective action and follow up sections on the back? I'd come back with the unsolicited plan to fix it and submit it with an MFR to respond to the 4856, that you are formally requesting resources to support said plan. Make sure the XO has a copy. Ensure you have a written plan. Otherwise it can be dismissed as whining.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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AR600-20 Army Command Policy. Sets command responsibility and authority, the NCO and their authority, and the responsibility for readiness
AR220-1 USR para 9-3. NBC readiness and reporting
AR 1-201 Army Inspection Program.
AR600-20 Army Command Policy. Sets command responsibility and authority, the NCO and their authority, and the responsibility for readiness
AR220-1 USR para 9-3. NBC readiness and reporting
AR 1-201 Army Inspection Program.
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Welcome to the world of CBRN. When it used to be NBC, the joke was No Body Cares. It's very common to have junior Soldiers in the CBRN corps turned into de-facto supply clerks or operations clerks. CBRN is a vital part of unit readiness and sometimes the Commander needs a gentle reminder of the fact.
What I (and other have suggested) may be challenging for a junior Soldier and may cause some waves of discomfort to ripple through your section. You need to take advantage of your 1SG and Commander's open door policy and have a conversation about your inability to do your job and contribute to unit readiness. It sounds like you already have a sympathetic ear from the XO. Leverage that if needed.
You won't be able to completely divorce yourself from some of the other duties your Supply Sergeant wants you to do. I suggest you come to the Commander with some sort of a plan in hand. Try to come up with a schedule for managing the CBRN needs. Include a timeframe for mask PCMS as well as level-10 checks on your CBRN equipment. Review your unit or BNs CBRN SOP to have a better understanding of your role. If there is a need to develop and train CBRN detection or decon teams, those should be included in your scheduling.
What I (and other have suggested) may be challenging for a junior Soldier and may cause some waves of discomfort to ripple through your section. You need to take advantage of your 1SG and Commander's open door policy and have a conversation about your inability to do your job and contribute to unit readiness. It sounds like you already have a sympathetic ear from the XO. Leverage that if needed.
You won't be able to completely divorce yourself from some of the other duties your Supply Sergeant wants you to do. I suggest you come to the Commander with some sort of a plan in hand. Try to come up with a schedule for managing the CBRN needs. Include a timeframe for mask PCMS as well as level-10 checks on your CBRN equipment. Review your unit or BNs CBRN SOP to have a better understanding of your role. If there is a need to develop and train CBRN detection or decon teams, those should be included in your scheduling.
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