Posted on Jan 2, 2019
Is there any way to separate or get a conditional release if I have not been paid for 11 months?
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Apologies in advanced for the wall of text. I recently was coming up on the end of my national guard contract and decided to reenlist on the grounds that I would be able to re-class to another MOS. The retention NCO agreed and stated because I was re-classing, I would not be eligible for a bonus and would need to sign a minimum of two years. We found a unit and contacted them and set everything up prior to me signing. Upon showing up at the unit they had no idea who I was, and said that they received no approval for me to transfer over, and further that if I did they would have no funding for a re-class. I returned to my home unit told my leadership what transpired, and they put in another request and told me to return. This went on for several months and in the end I was told I need to return to my old unit to drill. I complied with this but had not been paid since my reenlistment. I pushed this forward to leadership, and eventually to the First Sergeant. I continue to attend drill and I am told each time that the situation will be handled. This month marks the 11th drill I will have gone without pay and this is becoming a significant financial burden. I have done my best to try to go through the proper channels and would really prefer not to file an IG complaint but at this point I don't see any other option.
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Posted 6 y ago
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Your lack of pay is caused by one of two most likely problems.
1. You extended too close to your ETS date, so your Master Military Pay Account closed with your last ETS, which is sending every drill check to held pay.
2. No one is putting you in for pay.
It takes about 15 minutes for a Readiness NCO to send a TL to USPFO, and about five days for USPFO to fix the problem. Either The Readiness NCO did not send it up, or USPFO failed to fix it.
You cannot seek a separation or conditional release based on someone else's failure, even if that failure results in missing drill pay.
Units cannot simply refuse a transfer, and units do not pay for reclass, the G3 gets money from the Army every year for ATRRS schools.
You can and should go to the IG, after dealing with your chain of command. At two months without pay, your CO and 1SG should have been aware of the problem. At three months without drill pay, the BC and CSM. At four months, you should have been firing up the BDE CDR and CSM.
Either PM me here or find my email address on global, and send me your full name line, the name of both of these units, and your previous and current ETS dates.
1. You extended too close to your ETS date, so your Master Military Pay Account closed with your last ETS, which is sending every drill check to held pay.
2. No one is putting you in for pay.
It takes about 15 minutes for a Readiness NCO to send a TL to USPFO, and about five days for USPFO to fix the problem. Either The Readiness NCO did not send it up, or USPFO failed to fix it.
You cannot seek a separation or conditional release based on someone else's failure, even if that failure results in missing drill pay.
Units cannot simply refuse a transfer, and units do not pay for reclass, the G3 gets money from the Army every year for ATRRS schools.
You can and should go to the IG, after dealing with your chain of command. At two months without pay, your CO and 1SG should have been aware of the problem. At three months without drill pay, the BC and CSM. At four months, you should have been firing up the BDE CDR and CSM.
Either PM me here or find my email address on global, and send me your full name line, the name of both of these units, and your previous and current ETS dates.
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Thank You SGM! Its nice to see NCOs that want to fix issues not blame it on someone else. Obviously a mistake by someone but nonetheless needs to be rectified.
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PO1 Ted Woitazek AR 600-20 requires that all commanders have an Open door policy. Leaders who lack the values the creed charges the NCO with try to stop you because they dont want you to make CO aware of theur failure. I would have taken this kid straight to TAG if need be but some ARNG personnel only wanna be a leader during drill. Dont you dare call outside of that they are always too damn busy
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PO1 Ted Woitazek yes. Once you exhaust your NCO Chain of command, you tell your first line or ncoic that you'd like to speak to the CO. Most COs have an open door policy as long as you go through the proper steps
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PO1 Ted Woitazek
SPC (Join to see) Luckily, I never had a problem that required me to take this route, thanks.
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Absolutely submit an IG complaint. Watch how fast they remember how to pay you.
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CW4 Angela Birt
I'm with the Major. Submit a complaint through the IG. And as CW2 Stockham points out, it is a responsibility of leaders to make sure their troops are fed, housed, equipped and paid. Your leadership needs to focus their attention on you and the IG complaint will ensure they do. If it becomes negative attention, that's retaliation and that's wrong too. Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself. Some day you may lead troops and that will mean standing up for them too. Moral courage is as important as physical courage.
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SSG Thomas A Gilmore
MAJ (Join to see) -You, do not have to deal with, NCOs at company , platoon ,l level
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SGT John Creager
Climb the chain of Command, unit battalion, BDE, then divison. If nothing happens then the IG. I recently rattle the White House on Lack of facilities at the local VA clinic, it is a contracted clinic and zero land lines!!! No test equaipment, hey open four months and its sub par. We were told the contractor said another 4 months before ATT would have the land line in. Well the White house emailed me 10 hours later 20:00 hours, by noon the next day the director of medicine called me. that after noon they phone lines were going in!!.
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Making sure Soldiers get paid is one of the most important responsibilities leaders have. *IF*, as you said, they are aware of the issue and still have not fixed it in almost a year, they have failed you. I understand in guard units sometimes a Readiness NCO in charge of multiple tasks can get bogged down with issues, but that is no excuse, nor is it appropriate for your 1SG & Commander not to make it a priority. Pay problems should be at the top of their list due to the detriment it causes Soldiers, the unit, and--in turn--the unit's missions. So this is one circumstance, that yes, absolutely you should file an I.G. complaint (if what you said is completely true), and no one with any common sense would question you for it.
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I'm thinking that if the RNCO is "bogged down with issues" that one of those issues should be getting this soldier paid. I agree with you on all points. This warrants higher level eyes on target to not only fix the pay issue but to fix the underlying issue of why it happened at all.
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