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Based on recent events, including Syria, ISIS and now an attack on US Sailors, is Turkey sending us a message?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/11/12/navy-ross-istanbul-turkish-youth-union-roughed-up/18907615/
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/11/12/navy-ross-istanbul-turkish-youth-union-roughed-up/18907615/
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Edited 11 y ago
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I'd say they are our ally, but sometimes their internal/national goals outweigh what we are asking. Remember the problems with Desert Storm? Issues with the Kurds? They have to look out for their national interests, but I think they do try. And the fact that they recently allowed Kurdish fighters to transit their land to get to the fight against ISIS is a good example. That was probably not a popular decision among many Turks.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see) You basically just stated my opinion. They are our "allies", but boy do they tend to favor their local interests over global interests.
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MAJ (Join to see) I gravitate towards a Realist perspective on most issues. The U.S. is primarily interested in its own, U.S., national interests. All countries are. Why would we expect any other country to act differently?
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MAJ (Join to see) - Turkey is unique for a Muslim Country. It is part of NATO. Its soldiers fought bravely with the UN in the Korean War. It has relations and trade with Israel.
It is a limited democracy and it desires to want to be part of the EU. Sooner or later, after the state of emergency is over and the insurgency is put down and peace restored will it have to show self-interest to clean up its act to win favor or the EU to be voted in. I still think it is, in some ways, 'the sick man of Europe' as it was labled in the final years of the Ottoman Empire.
It is a limited democracy and it desires to want to be part of the EU. Sooner or later, after the state of emergency is over and the insurgency is put down and peace restored will it have to show self-interest to clean up its act to win favor or the EU to be voted in. I still think it is, in some ways, 'the sick man of Europe' as it was labled in the final years of the Ottoman Empire.
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The Turkish government are our allies as long as we keep sending them money.
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The young Turkish men are violent thugs, not Islamic extremist. Germany is now paying the price for having their Gastarbeitern program in the 1960s and 70s. There a no go areas Turkish areas there, as well as other Islamic areas. It's terrible in Sweden, but they keep letting letting in more and more "refugees" in everyday.
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The young Turkish men are violent thugs, not Islamic extremist. Germany is now paying the price for having their Gastarbeitern program in the 1960s and 70s. There a no go areas Turkish areas there, as well as other Islamic areas. It's terrible in Sweden, but they keep letting letting in more and more "refugees" in everyday.
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Remember this: everyone has their own agendas.....even allies. They are going to do what is good for them. If it happens to be good for their allies too, then bonus.
As for this incident, just remember that this was an intentional act by the fringe group in Turkey. Doesn't excuse it, but before you cast stones, realize that we have our own fringe groups here and we have as much control over their behavior as Turkey does. What will be telling about Turkey's attitutudes will be how they prosecute these punks.
As for this incident, just remember that this was an intentional act by the fringe group in Turkey. Doesn't excuse it, but before you cast stones, realize that we have our own fringe groups here and we have as much control over their behavior as Turkey does. What will be telling about Turkey's attitutudes will be how they prosecute these punks.
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I was there last October and everybody was very friendly to me. I was there both during Desert Storm and during a Med Cruise in 92/93. Again they were very friendly to me. At the same time there were incidents similar to this recent one. We were given lectures on not advertising our status as US military personnel.
My personal thought, is that you are going to have some that hate us but as a whole I think we are at the minimum tolerated and even possibly well regarded by a majority of people there.
My personal thought, is that you are going to have some that hate us but as a whole I think we are at the minimum tolerated and even possibly well regarded by a majority of people there.
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I said it before in college, everyone spies on everybody else. We do what is best for us. So if Turkey is wanting us to keep port there they will make a statement, even if they secretly or not so secretly hate us. We had issues with other countries that were friendly or "friendly" before such as Pakistan.
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Turkey can play Footsie w Russia until the day comes when they're swallowed up.
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