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This question is really aimed at field grades, but anyone with experience or knowledge is welcome to chime in.<div><br></div><div>I was active duty for a number of years then left to pursue further education / civilian career, but I'm still committed to my military career as a TPU reservist. I recently pinned on O-4, and I know that Joint Qualification is a fairly big deal for career progression and overall quality of experience among all officers, active and reserve.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm finishing ILE-CC (via DL), and I plan to have my AOC complete by the end of 2014. My aim is to get AJPME knocked out in the next year or two after that (is that a good idea?). Otherwise, have any of you guys completed any of your joint experience or otherwise efficiently? I know a lot of officers who were able to knock it out while deployed, but that's not as much of an option nowadays due to the drawdown in OEF.</div><div><br></div><div>Would love to hear any of your thoughts, as I think this applies to officers other than me (and junior officers coming up).</div>
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First, since you are CA qualified, attend the SSDCO certificate program at NPS (http://www.nps.edu/Academics/AcademicGroups/GPPAG/Education/Education.html).
Second, look at the joint qualification website at https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/identitymanagement/authenticate.do?execution=e1s1. Everything you need to know about the joint qualification system and how to apply for your joint points is there. One caveat, COMPO 2 and 3 time in a joint billet is worth 0.5 points per month while COMPO 1 time is 1 point per month (i.e. an IMA or TPU officer in joint position would receive 6 points in 1 year; an AC officer in a joint position would receive 12 points in 1 year).
Third, collect all of those "I was there" certificates for joint exercises like Cobra Gold, Khan Quest, PANAMAX, etc. and send them to the USAR POC on the joint qualification website (his name escapes me at the moment...). They are not worthless! Each 2-week exercise is worth 1 joint point.
Joint points will become extremely important in the near future. During a brief in my AJPME, a NG GO stated that COMPO 2 officers will need JQO before becoming GOs in the next several years. I expect COMPO 3 to follow. I have not been able to verify the NG GO's statement yet.
I also had a brigade commander that participated in many HRC boards. While speaking about development of officers, he stated that boards looked very favorably on joint experience.
Finally, for the NCOs... The Joint Forces Staff college also has Senior Enlisted Joint Professional Military Education (SEJPME). the website is http://www.jfsc.ndu.edu/schools_programs/se_jpme/default.asp AND SSDCO is available to CA and PO NCOs that have a bachelors, battle staff, and SLC.
Enjoy!
The SEJPME Course is designed to expose enlisted personnel to joint education and prepare them to succeed by improving their ability to operate effectively as part of a future joint force and supervis...
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More education is always a good thing. I would suggest getting AJPME even if you don't have your joint points or know where you are going to get them.
Obviously, deployment in a joint billeted position is the most ideal way to get that side covered, it is always best to put all experiences in the JQS that even remotely resembles joint activities. It is better to be told no it does not qualify than to never have the chance at the points.
Always seek positions that will advance your career and discriminators like joint qualification will not matter. There are plenty of O-6's out there that are not joint qualified.
Obviously, deployment in a joint billeted position is the most ideal way to get that side covered, it is always best to put all experiences in the JQS that even remotely resembles joint activities. It is better to be told no it does not qualify than to never have the chance at the points.
Always seek positions that will advance your career and discriminators like joint qualification will not matter. There are plenty of O-6's out there that are not joint qualified.
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Good luck, Sir. Hope this helps.
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MAJ LeCedre,
AJPME is a good next step after ILE and AOC. When you decide you want a joint assignment you might want to check out the IMA program since most of those positions are at the Combatant Commands and on the Joint Staff. I recently found out AJPME makes an officer "more qualified" when compared to peers who have not completed it on various boards.
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Submit your application now. I was on the waiting list for two years and finally got an email on Saturday to start on Monday...
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Congratulations! Good luck in the course and I hope you enjoy the 2 resident phases.
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As someone who works in Army Training Directorate, and currently attending AJPME, I would highly encourage it.
A few key points to remember that most officers don't understand. If you plan on attending SSC/AWC, the resident course gives your JPME II credit. However, if you are giving the DL version, it does not, and that is where AJPME comes into play, to give you that credit. Why, do you ask? Because its the law. Title 10 specifically states JPME II is only provided at the Service resident War Colleges and Resident NCU colleges. To maintain credit, the colleges can have no more than 60% of the faculty and student body from the host service (CJCSI 1800.01D). So you can see with DL, where its WAY above 60% due to the amount of RC attendees, it would never make the requirement.
Another little tidbit, RC officers do not need JQO to become a GO (if that is your ultimate goal). Secretary Gates denied that requirement when it was proposed in 2009/2010. Despite the requirement not being there, Army PME covers JPME so Army officers can function in an JIIM environment.
It of course doesn't hurt to have to be competitive. Feel free to buzz me if you have further questions.
A few key points to remember that most officers don't understand. If you plan on attending SSC/AWC, the resident course gives your JPME II credit. However, if you are giving the DL version, it does not, and that is where AJPME comes into play, to give you that credit. Why, do you ask? Because its the law. Title 10 specifically states JPME II is only provided at the Service resident War Colleges and Resident NCU colleges. To maintain credit, the colleges can have no more than 60% of the faculty and student body from the host service (CJCSI 1800.01D). So you can see with DL, where its WAY above 60% due to the amount of RC attendees, it would never make the requirement.
Another little tidbit, RC officers do not need JQO to become a GO (if that is your ultimate goal). Secretary Gates denied that requirement when it was proposed in 2009/2010. Despite the requirement not being there, Army PME covers JPME so Army officers can function in an JIIM environment.
It of course doesn't hurt to have to be competitive. Feel free to buzz me if you have further questions.
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CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT
CHIEFS OF STAFF
INSTRUCTION
CJCSI 1340.01A
16 September 2013
References:
a. DoD Directive 1315.07, 23 April2007, Military Personnel Assignments
b. DoD Instruction 1300.19, 31 October 2007, DoD Joint Officer
Management Program
c. Joint Staff Manual, JSM 1300.01E Series, 24 May 2013, "Military
Personnel Administration"
d. Title 10, United States Code; Chapter 5, Section 155, Joint Staff; and
Chapter 38, Joint Officer Management
e. Joint Publication 1, Chapter III, 16 October 2006, Personnel Support to
Joint Operations
CHIEFS OF STAFF
INSTRUCTION
CJCSI 1340.01A
16 September 2013
References:
a. DoD Directive 1315.07, 23 April2007, Military Personnel Assignments
b. DoD Instruction 1300.19, 31 October 2007, DoD Joint Officer
Management Program
c. Joint Staff Manual, JSM 1300.01E Series, 24 May 2013, "Military
Personnel Administration"
d. Title 10, United States Code; Chapter 5, Section 155, Joint Staff; and
Chapter 38, Joint Officer Management
e. Joint Publication 1, Chapter III, 16 October 2006, Personnel Support to
Joint Operations
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CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION
CJCSI 1340.01A
16 September 2013
References:
a. DoD Directive 1315.07, 23 April2007, Military Personnel Assignments
b. DoD Instruction 1300.19, 31 October 2007, DoD Joint Officer
Management Program
c. Joint Staff Manual, JSM 1300.01E Series, 24 May 2013, "Military
Personnel Administration"
d. Title 10, United States Code; Chapter 5, Section 155, Joint Staff; and
Chapter 38, Joint Officer Management
e. Joint Publication 1, Chapter III, 16 October 2006, Personnel Support to
Joint Operations
CJCSI 1340.01A
16 September 2013
References:
a. DoD Directive 1315.07, 23 April2007, Military Personnel Assignments
b. DoD Instruction 1300.19, 31 October 2007, DoD Joint Officer
Management Program
c. Joint Staff Manual, JSM 1300.01E Series, 24 May 2013, "Military
Personnel Administration"
d. Title 10, United States Code; Chapter 5, Section 155, Joint Staff; and
Chapter 38, Joint Officer Management
e. Joint Publication 1, Chapter III, 16 October 2006, Personnel Support to
Joint Operations
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The sooner the better is the best practice to follow for all requirements, for the simple reason that with cutbacks and draw downs many funding changes are in the works and if you want to survive you have to stay ahead of any unforeseen decisions by Congress. I survived the 90's by volunteering for any reserve missions as possible, provided I could take time from work; also make use of online courses. Sad to say that we are headed for another survival of the fittest.
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Absolutely do AJPME, if you can get in. I did it in 2009 and it was one of the better profressional mil ed events for me. As stated above, bseides the educational qualifier for eventual Joint Qualification, it gives you the 3H - Joint Planner ASI. JDOC, another good course, gives 1 Joint point. There are also some Joint correspondence courseses on JKO (4 worth .5 ponts each). I am in the Guard, so JDAL billets are almost nonexistant. I got the bulk of my points on deployment (Beware that the rules for self-nomination have changed drastically, you now have only one year from ENDEX to report). Some JKO coreespondence cources as noted above, a NATO/PfP exercise in 2004, and Voila! after several years I finally got the required 36 points and the 3L - Joint Qualified Offier ASI. Good luck.
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I'm assigned to the Joint Staff ARE currently, in Suffolk, Virginia. It is a great assignment so far, and I'm eager to get involved with Joint Exercises. However, it seems like the opportunities to get on these are few.
Does anyone have advice concerning participating in Joint Exercises? From what I've read, Joint points can accrue even if one hasn't yet completed ILE/AOC (JPME), or AJPME. Is that right? Also, attending AJPME does not count for point(s), correct?
Great information from all the posts, and a great topic from MAJ LeCedre!
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Unfortunately, the way I understand the system, you are not eligible for points from joint exercises due to your joint assignment because you are already gaining points at 0.5 per month (TPU) and 1 per month (in any active status).
You can accrue points at any time from commissioning to the day before you retire.
There are only a handful of courses that count for points (JDOC, RC NSC are two). AJPME is not one of them.
You can accrue points at any time from commissioning to the day before you retire.
There are only a handful of courses that count for points (JDOC, RC NSC are two). AJPME is not one of them.
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Thanks MAJ Scantlin. I'm unclear on the "0.5 per month" rule, but I thought those requests always got rejected anyway. Can you confirm? Someone should publish a Best Practices on how to get these points.
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AJPME does give you an ASI - 3H, Joint Planner. JDOC is one of the course you can take during AJPME. But I am not sure about the points.
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