Posted on Sep 1, 2015
Kentucky clerk still won't issue same-sex marriage licenses; What is your opinion on this article?
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If a female Muslim is told by her employer, she isn't allowed to wear a hijab or burka, the company would be fined for violating the woman's First Amendment rights. Likewise if a male Muslim man is told he cannot where a beard or a Punjabi cannot wear a turban, the company would fined for violating the First Amendment rights of the person. All of these are religious beliefs and the first Amendment clearly states, "Congress SHALL make no law... religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
SCOTUS is not Congress and the legislative power is given to the Congress by the US Constitution that we all swore an oath to defend, period. She is freely exercising her beliefs and has every right to. If she is fired, she will have a legitimate lawsuit and if I was an attorney I'd take it pro-bono.
SCOTUS is not Congress and the legislative power is given to the Congress by the US Constitution that we all swore an oath to defend, period. She is freely exercising her beliefs and has every right to. If she is fired, she will have a legitimate lawsuit and if I was an attorney I'd take it pro-bono.
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Cpl (Join to see)
LTC (Join to see) Having a mobile, diverse culture is the answer to that conundrum. We have the ability to reason and you are not required to work at a place that you have a moral objection. Pack your (not you) bags and move to the place where you are comfortable or better yet start your own company and compete.
Why would a conscientious objector apply for a job at the VA or join the military anyway? Those that develop a moral objection typically state it afterwards to the detriment of their service record. They just want out, because of their feelings. Those who may develop that while working for the VA are free to leave.
Why would a conscientious objector apply for a job at the VA or join the military anyway? Those that develop a moral objection typically state it afterwards to the detriment of their service record. They just want out, because of their feelings. Those who may develop that while working for the VA are free to leave.
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LTC (Join to see)
Cpl (Join to see), you have walked right past your own reasoning without noticing the necessary conclusion; Kim Davis is "not required to work at a place" that requires her to violate her morality. She can "pack [her] bags and move to the place where [she is] comfortable or better yet start [her] own company and compete."
Why would Kim Davis apply for (run for) a position that might require her to violate her beliefs? For whatever reason, she did. Her choices were simple: resign, comply, or neglect the legal duties of her office (to the detriment of her constituents). She chose the last option.
Why would Kim Davis apply for (run for) a position that might require her to violate her beliefs? For whatever reason, she did. Her choices were simple: resign, comply, or neglect the legal duties of her office (to the detriment of her constituents). She chose the last option.
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Cpl (Join to see)
No, she was elected by her constituency. Regardless of party, Democrat in her case, she is a representative of the people or did you forget that we are a representative republic? Do you honestly think she would have gotten elected by people in her district if they didn't share the same values?
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LTC (Join to see)
Cpl (Join to see), I really don't see the relevance of anything you said above. That she was elected by her constituency is a truism; constituencies elect people. Regardless of our republican foundation, we are a nation of laws, not subjective morality. Do you share all the values of those officials for whom you vote? Probably not.
Regardless of an elected official's personal beliefs, or the beliefs of his or her constituents, he or she has the primary responsibility of executing the duties of the office.
Here is another counterexample: if a majority-Muslim community elects an Islamic fundamentalist clerk/judge/representative/sheriff, does that official have the power to enforce his or her personal religious beliefs, instead of the law, merely because he or she was elected (i.e. is a reflection of the majority values of his or her community)? Try to answer that question with intellectual honesty.
Regardless of an elected official's personal beliefs, or the beliefs of his or her constituents, he or she has the primary responsibility of executing the duties of the office.
Here is another counterexample: if a majority-Muslim community elects an Islamic fundamentalist clerk/judge/representative/sheriff, does that official have the power to enforce his or her personal religious beliefs, instead of the law, merely because he or she was elected (i.e. is a reflection of the majority values of his or her community)? Try to answer that question with intellectual honesty.
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She may not like it,but if it's in her job description then it seems to me she should be issuing the licenses. Either, that or be prepared to be fired....or go find a job that won't require her to do something she doesn't believe in or that she will refuse to do because of her beliefs.
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She has great courage to stand for her convictions. I pray that God blesses her and her family. She may lose her job and position, but she will gain much...
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I'm beginning to shy clear of these discussions as they get into territory our active duty SMs may not be comfortable with. That said, as a private citizen, here's my two cent's worth-No matter what the laws of the land determine, a person is accountable to their own conscience.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Most people totally agree with you. I just happen to think that if your job is to facilitate something you find morally disagreeable, it's time to find a different line of work.
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LCDR (Join to see)
SGT Brookins-The "problem" with that opinion is that is essentially translates to closing certain positions from anyone sharing those views. I believe we could have a very friendly and intelligent debate on the subject, but I'd prefer to do it via private email instead of this forum, out of respect for those who may be concerned this topic broaches issues effecting military discipline. I'll send you my basic points shortly, and thank you :)
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I think in America while it still lasts we have the right to our individual believes. She should not be forced to go against her believe right are wrong. I'm sure there is someone nearby who would do this for them without this lady being bullied into it. If we let others bully us to get there way , where are we headed as a nation!
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CSM (Join to see)
No one is forcing her to denounce her beliefs. But, she is the count clerk and she has to abide by the same laws as others. She is CHOOSING to not do her job due to her beliefs. We all stand to protect each other beliefs, but she is in violate of the law. If she won't do her job, she needs to find a new one...
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