Posted on Sep 1, 2014
Lady Valor: Navy SEAL-turned transgender. Fair for his family?
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He was part of SEAL Team 6 (aka: Development Group, or DEVGRU, equivalent to Army Delta Force, or SFOD-D), the elite of the elite. Until he 'came out' and went transgender.
He may have accomplished missions while on teams and his views and preferences seemed irrelevant as long as missions were completed, but is it fair to the family that he hurt and practically 'left behind'? How did he get so caught up in 'American Dream' and wouldn't he 'come out' earlier?
PS: I'm NOT here to bash his decision to cross-gender. I'm here to express my disappointment to the family he let down after so many years. What's your take on this?
Please be objective and respectful. And if you decide to down-vote, your explanation will be appreciated.
The link below points to series that will commence on CNN shortly documenting her (formerly HIS) life:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/us/cnn-films-lady-valor-the-kristin-beck-story
He may have accomplished missions while on teams and his views and preferences seemed irrelevant as long as missions were completed, but is it fair to the family that he hurt and practically 'left behind'? How did he get so caught up in 'American Dream' and wouldn't he 'come out' earlier?
PS: I'm NOT here to bash his decision to cross-gender. I'm here to express my disappointment to the family he let down after so many years. What's your take on this?
Please be objective and respectful. And if you decide to down-vote, your explanation will be appreciated.
The link below points to series that will commence on CNN shortly documenting her (formerly HIS) life:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/us/cnn-films-lady-valor-the-kristin-beck-story
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Good for her. I don't think the DoD will allow transgender folks into the military, but I think it is due to costs more than anything else. The cost for drugs is very high (Not to mention the surgical costs). Having recruited, I know they would get turned away at MEPS. Personally, I don't care one way or the other. Everyone who wants to serve should be able to... but the military isn't so fair in that regard.
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No, no it isn't. And it isn't always based on rational thought. DADT was based on the reactions of others.
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Chief, please forgive me for speaking freely here: It'll come out to 9 cents per SM for the surgery, if ALL trans* service members got GCS (and only a fraction of us do); HRT is roughly $200 a year per SM, and can be paid BY THE SM. yeah, the costs are EXORBITANT. The real problem is that the military has NO PERSONNEL qualified to write the recommendation letters for GCS (1 endocrinologist, one licensed gender therapist, and one psychiatrist). That, and we make conservatives feel icky because the "men" are throwing away their masculinity and the "women" are more manly than the men.
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My biggest disappointment with her is letting her family down. It's one thing being single, but when you're married with kids, you better think twice about big decisions like that!
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PO1 Jacob Dronzin, To answer some of the questions you posed, I am attaching this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#The_Americas
Third gender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Third gender and third sex are concepts covering individuals categorized, either by themselves or by society, as neither man nor woman. It also describes a social category present in those societies that recognize three or more genders. The term third is usually understood to mean "other"; some anthropologists and sociologists have described fourth,[1] fifth,[2] and "some"[3] genders. The concepts of "third", "fourth" and "some" genders can be...
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No, they weren't "just fine". Gender identity dysphoria is REAL, and we don't live in a theocracy. Even if we did, it could be argued that someone who feels they're in the wrong gendered body is repairing the temple, so to speak.
Your take on things is a limited and limiting view that does not acknowledge the humanity of transgender people. You have no idea what's going on inside a transgender person's head. It's not a choice. I hope for their sake, no one close to you is transgender.
Your take on things is a limited and limiting view that does not acknowledge the humanity of transgender people. You have no idea what's going on inside a transgender person's head. It's not a choice. I hope for their sake, no one close to you is transgender.
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You're right, CW3 (Join to see), I may not fully understand the full implications behind it. Though I'm always open to learn new things I'm a bit disappointed at his decision making in starting a family.
Bad enough he was a SEAL, a DEVGRU SEAL. He put his family through constant torment while deployed keeping them guessing if he were to return alive. And on his final return, he switched gender. I'm not bashing him for gender swap, just that what his family has to deal with now
Bad enough he was a SEAL, a DEVGRU SEAL. He put his family through constant torment while deployed keeping them guessing if he were to return alive. And on his final return, he switched gender. I'm not bashing him for gender swap, just that what his family has to deal with now
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And what about what HE has to deal with?? Just another case of 'suck it up' for society's expectations???
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For many of us, coming out is an...intense event. Depending on what environment we were raised in, the area we live in now, and a host of other factors, it could take DECADES just to come to terms with BEING trans*, let alone telling someone else. To be honest, I'm amazed that Miss Beck was able to muster the courage to come out at all, given that SHE was a part of a highly male oriented group.
Also, to the origional poster: it is HIGHLY inappropriate to refer to a transgender person by their "former gender;" it serves as a denial of credibility, a sign that "this person isn't REALLY 'insert gender here'. " Also, for future reference, the neurological pathways of a trans* person are made up in the same manner as their preferred gender(e.g. a trans* woman's brain is wired as that of a cisgendered woman, as opposed to those of hetero- or homosexual men). In other words, SHE wasn't born a man; SHE was born a woman, and suffered from a condition which gave her the BODY of a male.
Thank you all for taking the time to read my ramblings.
Also, to the origional poster: it is HIGHLY inappropriate to refer to a transgender person by their "former gender;" it serves as a denial of credibility, a sign that "this person isn't REALLY 'insert gender here'. " Also, for future reference, the neurological pathways of a trans* person are made up in the same manner as their preferred gender(e.g. a trans* woman's brain is wired as that of a cisgendered woman, as opposed to those of hetero- or homosexual men). In other words, SHE wasn't born a man; SHE was born a woman, and suffered from a condition which gave her the BODY of a male.
Thank you all for taking the time to read my ramblings.
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Ok I admit, this is a bit hard to understand at times. Almost like a twist of fate: your Creator makes you a man or a woman, then plays tricks with your mind and inner soul of gender identity crisis.
Not trying to be judgmental here or condemn Chris, but sometimes I wish to meet with people like that for some in-depth talk. I realize how hard it must be for her, but I myself deny many things being that I'm married with a kid, so that's where I see bigger issue than who she really feels on the inside.
Not trying to be judgmental here or condemn Chris, but sometimes I wish to meet with people like that for some in-depth talk. I realize how hard it must be for her, but I myself deny many things being that I'm married with a kid, so that's where I see bigger issue than who she really feels on the inside.
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(Raises hand) You have one right here. What do you want to know? Also, I don't mean to be, well, mean, but her name is Kirstin, if I am correct.
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Lets see here
So its pretty obvious this woman did more in her military career then you ever will and you're going to call her "He"? Thats completely disrespectful.
He "went transgender" Hahaha...you're joking right?
You also don't seem to have any of the correct terminology down, I suggest you try to educate yourself first. You can start here, http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/ignore-preferred-gender-pronouns/.
So its pretty obvious this woman did more in her military career then you ever will and you're going to call her "He"? Thats completely disrespectful.
He "went transgender" Hahaha...you're joking right?
You also don't seem to have any of the correct terminology down, I suggest you try to educate yourself first. You can start here, http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/ignore-preferred-gender-pronouns/.
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SrA, please retract claws. Remember that we serve in a heavily male dominated military, that said military is conservative and slow to change, and that trans* people are a strange and new territory for the vast majority of SMs; they don't realize that they HAVE trans* brothers-and-sisters-in-arms. As a point of reference, there's been at least one trans* person in each unit I've been stationed in or in a neighboring unit. Give them time.
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My question is if DADT were repealed before she came out and had the gender re-assignment surgery, would they still let her serve in DEVGRU?
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PO2 Tony Casler
Sir,
They would not allow her continue to serve in any capacity, gender reassignment surgery is still prohibited. The repeal of DADT only addressed homosexuality.
They would not allow her continue to serve in any capacity, gender reassignment surgery is still prohibited. The repeal of DADT only addressed homosexuality.
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1. I've never walked a foot - let alone a mile - in this person's shoes. Nothing I could say regarding their decisions can possibly hold any value.
2. My grandma used to say "If if's and but's were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas." When and why this person made which decision is irrelevant to us.
3. SFC Marino is dead on - God is this person's judge. NO ONE ELSE.
4. This person earned the Budweiser - and a spot on DEVGRU. 'nuff said about courage and character.
5. I pray that the way I've treated my wife and children is never brought into the light and feasted upon like a bloated carcass on a mesa.
6. It's a pretty telling view of our culture if THIS is what is considered information worthy of dissemination to tens of millions of us.
7. The slimy so-called "journalist" SOBs that ignored their sense of right-and-wrong (assuming they possess such a thing), and took this story world-wide owe a debt they can never ever hope to repay to those damn'd few (including this SEAL) who went downrange.
8. I pray that God limits the damage done by this disrespectful, demeaning and indefensible media feast on this family's pain.
My 2 cents... and all y'all can keep the change... 7:^[
2. My grandma used to say "If if's and but's were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas." When and why this person made which decision is irrelevant to us.
3. SFC Marino is dead on - God is this person's judge. NO ONE ELSE.
4. This person earned the Budweiser - and a spot on DEVGRU. 'nuff said about courage and character.
5. I pray that the way I've treated my wife and children is never brought into the light and feasted upon like a bloated carcass on a mesa.
6. It's a pretty telling view of our culture if THIS is what is considered information worthy of dissemination to tens of millions of us.
7. The slimy so-called "journalist" SOBs that ignored their sense of right-and-wrong (assuming they possess such a thing), and took this story world-wide owe a debt they can never ever hope to repay to those damn'd few (including this SEAL) who went downrange.
8. I pray that God limits the damage done by this disrespectful, demeaning and indefensible media feast on this family's pain.
My 2 cents... and all y'all can keep the change... 7:^[
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Whether this individual "Came out" now vs. later is not the issue. This individual is who they are right now at this moment. We all have our demons, skeletons, monkeys on our backs, etc. pick one. We all have to carry that load and at some point the load is too much. For some it is suicide, for others alcohol, and still others maybe violence. This individual chose to reveal what they believe is their identity right now.
As for the debate regarding the family, I see no difference from this individual changing and becoming someone different from a heterosexual couple growing apart and divorcing. What is the difference?
IMO the right thing to do is to embrace who you are, notify those significant people around you and walk your path. It is probably far healthier for this individual to let the children know and educate them, because the kids will know, the in-laws will know, family and close friends will know. There is no hiding this, people close will know. How much damage gets done by hiding the facts? What do the children learn by watching someone struggle with and try to hide this.
I know from personal experience that holding on to something that eats you up inside is a terrible price to be paid and there does come a reckoning when you finally reach the end of your rope and your spirit is splayed and prostrate before you and there are no more exits.
I neither agree nor disagree with this individuals decision, because it does not impact me and does not involve me. I just hope that sufficient thought was given to do the most responsible thing, which would alleviate the most pain and provide for the most long-term growth.
As for the debate regarding the family, I see no difference from this individual changing and becoming someone different from a heterosexual couple growing apart and divorcing. What is the difference?
IMO the right thing to do is to embrace who you are, notify those significant people around you and walk your path. It is probably far healthier for this individual to let the children know and educate them, because the kids will know, the in-laws will know, family and close friends will know. There is no hiding this, people close will know. How much damage gets done by hiding the facts? What do the children learn by watching someone struggle with and try to hide this.
I know from personal experience that holding on to something that eats you up inside is a terrible price to be paid and there does come a reckoning when you finally reach the end of your rope and your spirit is splayed and prostrate before you and there are no more exits.
I neither agree nor disagree with this individuals decision, because it does not impact me and does not involve me. I just hope that sufficient thought was given to do the most responsible thing, which would alleviate the most pain and provide for the most long-term growth.
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Touchy subject indeed. In our society there is no clean compromise for issues such as this. Everyone gets filthy.
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Saddest part about all that is that we became so liberal, that marriage has lost its value.
When my wife hears about another celebrity or close family marriage failure, I end up reminding her that I'm not looking at those failures, but successes where people have lived together for 50, 60, or 70+ years with clean conscience. Where they might even had a hiccup or 2, but forgave each other and moved on with their marriage lives, all skeletons exposed and dealt with.
Though I'm not a judge of Chris's decision making, some things and decisions should've been better calculated before execution to avoid such predicament
When my wife hears about another celebrity or close family marriage failure, I end up reminding her that I'm not looking at those failures, but successes where people have lived together for 50, 60, or 70+ years with clean conscience. Where they might even had a hiccup or 2, but forgave each other and moved on with their marriage lives, all skeletons exposed and dealt with.
Though I'm not a judge of Chris's decision making, some things and decisions should've been better calculated before execution to avoid such predicament
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I count myself lucky that I have a spouse who puts up with my BS and has stayed with me 25 years. Then again I have to put up with her entire family, so I think it is fair. I know statistically I am a minority regarding longevity in my marriage, with divorce rates above 50%. I think this is a generation issue. My generation and those that came after, are more focused on self than society. Everything has become about the individual and what they can get as fast as they can. Everything is disposable now and a new replacement can be had on the cheap. Well this is a mindset that would permeate through-out the psyche resulting in selfish behavior when it comes to relationships. I on the other hand take my oaths seriously, essentially I finish what I start. Does that mean putting up with unpleasantness? Sometimes, but everything balances in the end. I am not a christian, but I do like one christian tenet I have heard "Judge not, lest you be judged". I think that sums up my stance pretty well.
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"Saddest part about all that is that we became so liberal, that marriage has lost its value."
What I find sad is the lack of historical perspective by people who accept the Religious Right's message. With a 50% divorce rate, one can't blame the devaluation of marriage on something that's been legal in some states for less than a decade: Infidelity, spousal abuse, and legalized discrimination based on gender have done more damage; however, no one wants to talk about that.
When you say that marriage has lost its value, do you want to return to the days when married women couldn't have savings accounts without their husbands' consent? The 50/50 divorce split is relatively recent. It used to be a husband could take everything in a divorce: the house, the kids, and even his wife's clothes. I would rather think, and I understand some will disagree, that humanity is evolving both socially and spiritually based on our information revolution.
What I find sad is the lack of historical perspective by people who accept the Religious Right's message. With a 50% divorce rate, one can't blame the devaluation of marriage on something that's been legal in some states for less than a decade: Infidelity, spousal abuse, and legalized discrimination based on gender have done more damage; however, no one wants to talk about that.
When you say that marriage has lost its value, do you want to return to the days when married women couldn't have savings accounts without their husbands' consent? The 50/50 divorce split is relatively recent. It used to be a husband could take everything in a divorce: the house, the kids, and even his wife's clothes. I would rather think, and I understand some will disagree, that humanity is evolving both socially and spiritually based on our information revolution.
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On this quite touchy subject, I say there isn't any good time in current society to "come out". The USA is still fairly new to the concept that these people are stepping out of the shadows with their heads held high and history has shown darkly that these people aren't treated very well. What I know is that if it's what they feel, if it's what they believe, who am I to judge the life of another? She isn't killing anyone over it, and on a side note I've met a few transgenders since I've been in the navy, and usually they are some of the most down to earth people I've met. They are comfortable with themselves and when others try to bring them down it seems to only empower them to keep on with who they believe they are, not society. They are also much more relaxed more often. That's my take.
But back on subject here I think if that is what she wants to do, then it's her life choice, and people, especially her family, should respect that. If they don't, well last I checked the worst betrayal is turning your back on family.
But back on subject here I think if that is what she wants to do, then it's her life choice, and people, especially her family, should respect that. If they don't, well last I checked the worst betrayal is turning your back on family.
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Are you married? If yes, you'd see it differently. If not, let me explain a bit. When you join this holy union, you cannot just speak for yourself any more. There's a reason that when marriages fall apart, judge divides 50-50 in all fairness. Chris was married and had kids. He made that choice most likely without discussing it with his significant other. Now how would YOU feel if you got married and your spouse 'came out' years down the road?
This is NOT to bash gay or transgender, but the under-calculated predicament they can often put their OTHER HALF. And thank you for commenting on your down-vote!
This is NOT to bash gay or transgender, but the under-calculated predicament they can often put their OTHER HALF. And thank you for commenting on your down-vote!
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How do you know that SHE trod this path without discussing it?? Were you there in their home every moment? No. You weren't. You're making assumptions based on your own world view.
On top of that, being transgender is no more of a choice than being gay is. When did you decide to be straight? I don't remember *deciding* to be straight, I just remember growing up liking girls.
It's easy to sit on your high horse and condemn someone going through hell.
On top of that, being transgender is no more of a choice than being gay is. When did you decide to be straight? I don't remember *deciding* to be straight, I just remember growing up liking girls.
It's easy to sit on your high horse and condemn someone going through hell.
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What would be an option that you would offer to a person who feels transgender? I'm assuming you understand transgender self-identity.You believe that there are options (treatment or proper counseling?), so, please share, MSgt.
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