Posted on Jan 11, 2022
Is the Airborne School no longer doing the APFT/ACFT, and is only doing the Flexed Arm Hang?
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Last I heard Airborne School is no longer doing APFT/ACFT only the Flexed Arm Hang.
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Shirley Tice
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No matter what you hear I promise all the airborne standards of times past to finish the school are still in play. What ever fitness test they may do, if you are ready for airborne then the Army wide standard should be easy.
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I've heard that type of statement several times about a couple of different schools. - be aware the requirements for a school are set by the school - not 'normal' channels of the US Army.
Recently I heard someone complain that the 'grades' required by the Scout Leader Course at Fort Benning required that "Students must pass the classroom Operations Order and their field evaluation assessments to graduate." He felt that the cadre should not assess him because he wasn't trained yet, so they couldn't grade him on the knowledge he didn't have. He had failed the course.
I told him he could always go back if his command signed off on it - Just like Airborne, Ranger, Sapper, Pathfinder and all the other high speed course that were above and beyond just average MOS duties.
Some people don't get it that the specialty courses are above the everyday hump.
Recently I heard someone complain that the 'grades' required by the Scout Leader Course at Fort Benning required that "Students must pass the classroom Operations Order and their field evaluation assessments to graduate." He felt that the cadre should not assess him because he wasn't trained yet, so they couldn't grade him on the knowledge he didn't have. He had failed the course.
I told him he could always go back if his command signed off on it - Just like Airborne, Ranger, Sapper, Pathfinder and all the other high speed course that were above and beyond just average MOS duties.
Some people don't get it that the specialty courses are above the everyday hump.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SFC Don Ward - That's true but only for the Army's TRADOC Courses. Even then the military course on its inception submits the standards they expect to meet IOT have students pass, then those are approved by TRADOC. Local unit courses authorized by local Commands such as - Man Tracking, Anti-Tank Weapons employment, Platoon Integrated Fires, Employment of Interlocking Fires, etc, etc are often much more strenuous and mentally stressing than TRADOC's, but are especially necessary for the levels of battalion to fire team effectiveness.
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SFC Don Ward
SFC Ralph E Kelley - For a course to be "accredited" under Army Standards, the course submits a POI that includes Army standards for such things as APFT, Grading standard, and any and all standards. TRADOC will either approve, then inspect and approve or not. If not, it will be up to the school to change, not TRADOC. If they are not approved, they won't be funded.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SFC Don Ward - You are correct about POIs, however I believe we are talking apples and oranges. You understand that the Jumpmaster and RSLC courses of the Ranger Training Brigade both started as non-funded courses and it was only after they proved themselves did they become Army Funded Courses.
Like wise the 316th Cavalry Brigade has units that teach R&S and SFA formations that originally were started by POIs but were unfunded by DA. Their funding came from in one case the Armor Branch (but off the cuff from an armored warfare course taught solely by V Corps in West Germany during the Cold War after Vietnam. Another course's funding came only from the Armor School at Fort Knox. The Master Gunner's Program was started in Europe by FORSCOM because after Vietnam the standards of Tankers was in a dismal state. also a legacy of Vietnam.
As I said, apples and oranges. No course that gets started up TODAY without a POI, but it wasn't always that way and if it ever gets to the point that FORSCOM cannot initiate develop and field training for the combat unit at the point of the spear then it will be a dark day. TRADOC is monolithic organization and is not flexible. That's not to denigrate it's contribution to basic and standardize training but to point out the long adaption times of military training organizations.
Like wise the 316th Cavalry Brigade has units that teach R&S and SFA formations that originally were started by POIs but were unfunded by DA. Their funding came from in one case the Armor Branch (but off the cuff from an armored warfare course taught solely by V Corps in West Germany during the Cold War after Vietnam. Another course's funding came only from the Armor School at Fort Knox. The Master Gunner's Program was started in Europe by FORSCOM because after Vietnam the standards of Tankers was in a dismal state. also a legacy of Vietnam.
As I said, apples and oranges. No course that gets started up TODAY without a POI, but it wasn't always that way and if it ever gets to the point that FORSCOM cannot initiate develop and field training for the combat unit at the point of the spear then it will be a dark day. TRADOC is monolithic organization and is not flexible. That's not to denigrate it's contribution to basic and standardize training but to point out the long adaption times of military training organizations.
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Also, IIRC, the Commandant responsible of the course can submit a POI change and execute immediately while waiting for it to go through the TRADOC process if the POI change does not require additional resources.
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About 1980 is when the 5 event PT test was replaced by the APFT. Before that we had the "bent arm hang". Sounds identical to the flexed one. It was some incredibly easy time to achieve but yet many females still failed it. A good number of males too. It was one of the reasons the Army went to the APFT & eliminated it. They wanted more women in the Army & back then, they weren't in combat arms roles. So if the infantry or airborne courses require this now, it's to wean out the weaker ones. Male or female. If you think about being airborne, you certainly need to be good at a flexed arm hang.
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The qualifications that get you there may not be the qualifications that keep you there. My company started with over 800 and over 400 were cut taking the PT test. Be physicslly and mentally prepared for any situation. Their job is to weed out weakness and your job is to graduate. When everybody does their job we have a stronger military. Good luck!
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I'm at Fort Riley and I heard this as well just this week from retention. Interesting
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Airborne is still doing APFT until ACFT implementation in April. https://goodmenproject.com/education-2/affordable-essay-writing-services/
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