Posted on Aug 13, 2014
SGT Suraj Dave
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I have been noticing a trend lately, and its disturbing to me. Not all police are bad, many of them are great people who help the community on and off the clock, but in the past year I have come across so many videos on social media of officers brutally attacking children and killing others .... who had done nothing wrong. Is there no accountability for the police?

(I posted a couple videos of cops beating up civilians, and one video of a cop choking another guy to death, the moderator and/or administrator of RP seems to have removed it)

Why is it if a soldier injures or kills a civilian he is court marshalled, but if a LEO does it, its "Paid Vacation"?

In my honest opinion, we as soldiers treated the Afghan Populace with much more dignity and respect then the police treat U.S. Citizens with.
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SGT Suraj Dave 1SG Mike Case PO1 (Join to see) If it were but one instance, one really bad moment that would be one thing. It would be shocking and intolerable and so we are left with the horns of a dilemma. Do we justify that kind of malice and cloud it with our own narrow perception?

The problem is, IMHO, that the rise of paramilitary behavior on a routine call when things go terribly wrong and ends with a slap on the wrist. The officers are awarded a lot of latitude with their behaviors and attitudes towards a SUSPECT and certainly not hurling a young woman into a concrete stool which resulted in a shattered cheek and eye socket. As a judge I would ask the cop to apologize and plead for HER mercy.

Officers are there to keep the police and quell violent behavior. Mere disrespect should not be the basis for a life changing event and subsequently provide fuel to unrest.

Now my experience is my brother-in-law is an exceptionally calming person in a crisis. All the times we in each other presence he was a consummate gentlemen, deferring to others rather robbing them of dignity, no matter the cost. He eventually became police chief.

On night there was a call and a young guy wrapped his father's brand new car around a tree and the father was ready to beat his son up. My BIL got on a three-way call and settled both the kid and his father down. I have never seen that before. Kill em with kindness and treat other with utmost respect.

I respect cops and I would never accelerate stress to give a cop any reason to assault me. But this is the real world. And cops MUST not aggravate the situation with unmerited violence.

http://youtu.be/gMWDxwL1Zog

No one can justify that! No amount of community service can mitigate that kind of behavior and I bet that if COPS were filming this would not have happened. That community and the nation hold cops responsible as they would hold civilians.
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Dayum...that hurt ME just watching! The video seems complete - though there is still some question I have as to what happened outside the cell. No matter, I do think the shove was excessive and unnecessary.
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CPT Gregory Wagoner And all of us should emulate my brother-in-law's behavior. Each side needs to sit down and get to know each and not assuming the worst. Never did she merit that and I am sure if he could have done it over again, he would.

Cops get PTSD too and police stations need to rate them with PRPs to make sure that this does not happen.
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1SG Mike Case
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The cop in that video needs to be fired and then put on trial for assault. I have no qualms with the "militarization" of the police force. When they get into a fight with two men carrying AK-47's and body armor, it is easy to sit on the sidelines and complain about the equipment they are getting. I think the screening for people becoming cops should be better. I think they should be paid more for the work they do. You can't attract the cream of the crop with low paying wages for the danger they put themselves in. I think all cops should wear body cameras and all cars be equipped with cameras as well. I think all cops should be with partners and never alone. There are a lot of improvements that police can make but I for one will not tie one hand behind the back of the police and limit the weapons they are allowed to use. I do think they should stand trial for things that happen like in the video you posted though.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Besides "military" gear usually doesn't come out except for very select circumstances. The problem is that those circumstances tends to be headline news (and played ad nauseum over the air) so there is a perception that cops are always running around with body armor and assault rifles....which is not true.
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The police have been steadily and increasingly militarized since 9/11. They DoD actually actively sells them military hardware from armored vehicles to various weapons. This is definitely not a trend in the right direction. It seems to instill the sense that the civilian populace is their enemy, when in reality they are supposed to protect and serve that populace. A civilian shouldn't be scared to go to a police officer for help because they fear accidentally getting shot.

Police accountability does indeed need to be greater. They need to reeducate the police on escalation of force, only drawing their weapon as a last resort or if a threat clearly beyond any reasonable doubt has a gun pointed at them. And if they do have to fire, only shooting as many times as necessary to drop them, center mass, and calling for medical services immediately. They also need to be more transparent during investigations, and less willing to protect guilty individuals just because they're one of their own. I could rant more but I'm done.
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I have always been very conservative compared to my anti-"The Man"-parents and their conspiracy theories however this was the final straw for me. I spent hours researching this story because I just couldnt believe it was true.

But it is true and it is devastating.
Was the old homeless man being aggressive? Yes. Did he deserve to have his face bashed in as he was screaming out for his father? Well the interviews and video answer that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn8CE5ISUSw
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I know most police officers are not brutal and twisted and this story below shows you and fellow RPers an example of the kindness police officers do behind the scenes. Rest assured I back up our police and I thank you for your service to your country as a veteran and law enforcement officer. I just believe the stuff like the first video has to stop and I have no doubt most law enforcement officials like yourself agree. My prayers are with you :)
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SSgt John Paul Furman
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Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Just like the military, law enforcement as a whole is a microcosm of society. There's good and bad Soldiers, teachers, doctors, etc. I'm not making excuses, but I can tell you that it's a hard job and lately it feels like it's getting harder. Shift work, mediocre pay, poor benefits, not enough equipment, etc. Add to that the stress of going to a job where you have to strap a gun to your hip and don a bullet proof vest on a daily basis and it can start to take a toll on your soul, which then in turns starts to affect your personal life. I'd say about 75% of the guys I've worked with in the course of my career are divorced or in the process of getting divorced. Some of them are on their third marriage! One guy is on his fourth! (because the forth time is the charm I guess??? I don't know? Trust me, I know first hand us coppers don't always make the best decisions!) Starting to kind of sound a lot like the military right? My first department was Gary PD in Indiana, just a stones throw away from Chicago. If you've never heard of it, look it up, it's a pretty rough town. Made the FBI's list of top 10 worst cities in America last year. Was our country's per capita murder capital for several years while I worked there. I was young when I started (21) and having grown up in a middle class family I can't being to tell you what a culture shock it was to work there and see how the other side lived. Even in the town I work in now. A suburban town that is upper middle class, the job changes you. I've traded homicides for suicides, overdoses on RX drugs, wife beating and even our share of child molestations and rape. I deployed to Mosul, Iraq in 2005. I was in Tal Afar when we went on the offensive there. One of our line units in my combat engineer battalion was attached to the 3Rd ACR at the time. You'd think the worst I'd have seen would be during that time and you'd be wrong. I can't begin to tell you the complete brutality and utter acts of senseless violence I've seen one human being, one American, do to the next. And for what? Over a pair of shoes? Some spare change? A car? A girlfriend or a boyfriend, or an ill conceived notion that they've been wrong or insulted? It's crazy! At lest the military puts an emphasis getting help if you need it and if you're lucky enough to have a good chain of command, then hopefully you get the help you need. It's not like that in law enforcement. It's a very ego driven job. The cops I work with are relentless on one another and if they "blood in the water," then you're going down. I know a lot of cops who suffer from PTSD but they let peer pressure and their own macho ego, or fear of losing their job get in the way of getting help for themselves. Because of that stuff like that video you posted happens. Like I said, I'm not making excuses, but maybe this will be some food for thought that you weren't aware of? So yes, please send all the prayers you can my way! I'm actually looking to move on from local LE and hope to get a job with the railroad police. Better pay, benefits and hopefully an over all around better working condition.
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SPC Charles Griffith
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I don't know you at all SSgt Furman so I am NOT speaking of you directly but the issue I have with LE is the same issue I have with Muslims. and that is that if it is a small sector of your community causing the problems why does the majority not do a better job of policing itself and clean up the problem individuals? Just my observations.
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