Posted on Jul 24, 2015
Leader development scenario - bad check - Soldier pays for NCOs pizza, what would YOU do?
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A Soldier overhears a NCO talking about his favorite food (pizza) and that he is hungry but has to do a barracks check before leave for the day.
The Soldier uses a temp check to buy pizza.....while the NCO is checking the barracks, the Soldier offers the NCO pizza and the NCO eats several slices. The NCO does not offer the Soldier any money and continues checking the common areas before leaving the barracks.
A week later, the Soldier is getting counseled for bouncing a check and says the NCO insinuated he wanted some pizza....what did the NCO do that was off course, what did the Soldier do that was not advisable? What would YOU do (you are senior to both) in this scenario?
The Soldier uses a temp check to buy pizza.....while the NCO is checking the barracks, the Soldier offers the NCO pizza and the NCO eats several slices. The NCO does not offer the Soldier any money and continues checking the common areas before leaving the barracks.
A week later, the Soldier is getting counseled for bouncing a check and says the NCO insinuated he wanted some pizza....what did the NCO do that was off course, what did the Soldier do that was not advisable? What would YOU do (you are senior to both) in this scenario?
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I never ate any food bought by juniors. However, I would buy and have one of them run for it. By doing that an NCO can eat it with them and not offend anyone while team building and improving morale. I did this many times while deployed if we were in a place where we could get pizza or some other kind of fast food. A bounced check is a completely separate issue and a counseling statement is appropriate.
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The NCO was wrong, the beginning of you give me this....I'll do that. The private was wrong for attempting to insert his nose into the NCO ass crack.
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Usually the people I work with and I will often buy each other food and get them back at a later date like buying them lunch or something. Sometimes we do the "I buy and you fly." Maybe that's how it worked with them. However, if you don't have the funds to buy someone lunch, then don't buy it.
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NCO eats a slice of pizza a Soldier offers thinking, "Lunch is on me next time". Soldier bounces check, blames fiasco on overbearing, greedy NCO.
Soldier overhears NCO talking about being hungry during barracks checks and buys pizza. Offers pizza to NCO who declines slice. Soldier bounces check, blames mismanagement of funds on the stress of dealing other an NCO who wouldn't even share a slice of pizza with them.
Soldier is in the day room and can't hear anything from the NCO. The NCO is too scared of doing something wrong to do anything at all. Soldier complains that they are being ignored....
Soldier overhears NCO talking about being hungry during barracks checks and buys pizza. Offers pizza to NCO who declines slice. Soldier bounces check, blames mismanagement of funds on the stress of dealing other an NCO who wouldn't even share a slice of pizza with them.
Soldier is in the day room and can't hear anything from the NCO. The NCO is too scared of doing something wrong to do anything at all. Soldier complains that they are being ignored....
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we were told when we opened our first checking account at basic or AIT, the saying was " just because you have checks left does Not mean you have money in your account"
soldier is responsible for his own actions. the NCO is responsible for making sure that his soldiers are squared away. both are at fault. soldier should have continued about his business and not worry about if the NCO had food or not. NCO had a job, but instead was complaining about his job and this caused a chain reaction of problems.
soldier is responsible for his own actions. the NCO is responsible for making sure that his soldiers are squared away. both are at fault. soldier should have continued about his business and not worry about if the NCO had food or not. NCO had a job, but instead was complaining about his job and this caused a chain reaction of problems.
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Plot twist, NCO is now being counseled for being overweight and shouldn't have had any pizza to begin with....
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Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If I can't afford it......I don't buy it. I'd love to have the means to buy everyone on this site a Ruth's Chris dinner but it's not feasible. The soldier's intentions were solid but at some point you have to be a grown up and demonstrate fiscal responsibility.
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The soldier was attempting to curry favor with the NCO. He deserves to get the counseling. The NCO should not have taken the pizza. He should also be counseled regarding the offered food while conducting official duties.
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First off CSM, the Nco should check himself right off to bat and let the soldier know, soldiers do not do that for Nco's , if that Nco lets him do that, then he is not much of a Nco . The Nco that was in charge of him, should have been notified, when that soldier offered him the slice of pizza. If that soldier was buying pizza and he bounced a check then his squad leader should have been aware of that
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The only real problem I see is the Joe bouncing the check.
As an NCO, there's nothing wrong with accepting a slice or two (maybe three is the line?) of pizza from one of your subordinates.
If the check was bounced by accident (autopay comes out twice causing shortage, etc.) then it was an accident and Joe gets some financial management training, no big deal. If Joe KNEW he was going to bounce the check, then there's a whole other problem.
The NCO paying for the slices they received (or even the whole pizza) probably wouldn't have mattered because most people don't just rush to the bank to deposit a couple of bucks they got for some pizza (I know I usually just hold onto the cash so I don't have to stop by the bank/ATM).
If this sort of thing is really that big of a problem in today's military, maybe I'm glad I'm out...
As an NCO, there's nothing wrong with accepting a slice or two (maybe three is the line?) of pizza from one of your subordinates.
If the check was bounced by accident (autopay comes out twice causing shortage, etc.) then it was an accident and Joe gets some financial management training, no big deal. If Joe KNEW he was going to bounce the check, then there's a whole other problem.
The NCO paying for the slices they received (or even the whole pizza) probably wouldn't have mattered because most people don't just rush to the bank to deposit a couple of bucks they got for some pizza (I know I usually just hold onto the cash so I don't have to stop by the bank/ATM).
If this sort of thing is really that big of a problem in today's military, maybe I'm glad I'm out...
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