Posted on Nov 23, 2014
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Think the content of online posts is harmless?

Is the Marine Corps right to discharge this Marine for his anti-Obama Facebook posts?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/marine-sgt-gary-stein-honorable-discharge-anti-obama/story?id=16216279
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CW3 Chuck Huddleston
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But....But....Obama IS a jackass! He just told the truth! The military does not want "puppets" that have no feelings or thoughts, the only problem I see here is the guy put it on Facebook. That was wrong and brought it to his being discharged only because Obuma is the CIC.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
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The marine stated according to this post I will not follow all orders from him (President Obama). Every order needs to be evaluated to determine if it is a lawful order or not. If the President ordered you or any other active duty military member to open fire on American civilians that were protesting any of his many questionable activities, would YOU obey that order? The people sodomized and murdered in Benghazi may have been running guns illegally to the Syrian rebels, we still have no answers. They were following orders. The Navy Seals that ran towards the gunfire were following a code of Honor and were expecting aid that never came. Instead of condemning a marine for posting what is on his heart (unless he posted plans to overthrow the government illegally or assassinate someone) why don't we try and hold EVERYONE regardless of their political position accountable for their actions? Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I disagree with amnesty for illegal aliens, sending money that Americans desperately need to radical Islam, Common Core teaching (brainwashing) our youth into thinking Islam is the one true religion and all they have ever done is acted peacefully or protected themselves when threatened (what about that separation of Church and State I am always getting slammed with? - Oh, wait, I am a Christian so it is okay to boycott my religion but endorse atheism [Darwinism-unproven is taught in school], Satanism and Wiccan [Halloween decorations of the devil and witches], but call a Christmas Tree anything but a holiday tree and you have idiots screaming out of the woodworks.). Bottom line is that while we join the military we still have freedom of speech as long as we do not disclose classified information or try to weaken the chain of command. If all this marine posted was that he would not obey all orders of Obama it may be due to the fact that he questions Obama's true purpose along with over 70% of the population. Again, let us hold all persons accountable for their actions.....and the higher they are in the food chain respectively the more we need to hold their feet to the fire Elected officials are supposed to be the models of American society and not above the law. If you want to look at a group that has the highest percentage of disobeying the law (insider trading, child and regular prostitution, drug and alcohol abuse) then look no farther than our government. Power should not keep you out of trouble. Power should make you an example for others to emulate.
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MAJ (Join to see) I already agreed that if the service member had been previously warned and counseled and could not take a hint then further action was warranted. I also admitted that I had not seen all of the information he had posted to his facebook page, but since he is not under my command and I rely on his chain of command to do what is right, I have no qualms with what was relegated to him via the UCMJ. Just for illumination's sake, why don't you educate me on the points that you disagree with so that we can discuss the matter further. I have no problems speaking what I feel to be true or factual. I get my facts from people who vet them before posting them (isn't it interesting that we use the term "vet" to validate something?). If I have made statements that are erroneous, I would like to be corrected on them. If it is a matter of personal opinion, I respect your right to have yours and I will stick to mine unless you persuade me with logical facts that I am in error. The only person I ever knew who thought they (she) was perfect was my ex-wife. Everyone else cuts me a little slack. I am not going to try and argue so that you see things my way, but I will listen to and respond with what I believe to be facts. Looking forward to your response via chat or email.

Respectfully,

Steve
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
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and sir MAJ (Join to see) can you with all honesty tell me that there has been nothing done in our executive branch of office does not set your teeth on edge? Not one thing? For example, let us take something recent like Ferguson. According to the news, the President sent 3 Ambassadors to the funeral of the young criminal who robbed a store and then was beating a police officer who fought to keep his life. Here in Tennessee, as a result of the racial tensions generated in the incident that occurred in Florida, a white male and female were savagely beaten, the girl raped, and then both were executed. No one was sent to their funerals. The President made no statements to condemn the atrocity. The President advised the Governor to withhold the national guard to try and maintain order and reduce violence in Ferguson. The town has been burned and looted and is a wonderful example of "thuganomics". Do you not feel that there is a bias where the President will make a statement for one side of a ridiculous racial equation without equity on the other side? It is a myriad of isolated incidents like these that make me question not the Office of the President, but the person that is manhandling it. I would like to hear your thoughts on this sir.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn Great question, thanks. This provides me the opportunity to demonstrate an appropriate response. Throughout the history of the United States (and, thus, the history of the executive office), there have been numerous decisions with which I personally disagree.

At the same time, I, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States in the grade of Major, have solemnly affirmed that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I took this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I would well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I have entered.

Given this, it is irrelevant whether I personally agree or disagree with policies and political actions of the executive of this country (past, present, or future), or with the orders of the Commander in Chief or the orders of the tens of thousands of officers appointed over me. My obligations are fairly straight-forward, as listed in the above paragraph.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
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MAJ (Join to see) I agree with your response whole-heartedly but still believe that as service members we still retain the inherent rights of freedom of thought and speech. We must use this with respect regardless of military service. There still has been no answer to a couple of my questions, but I will pose another. Why are officers sworn to support and defend the Constitution (like enlisted) but not sworn to a baby orders of the President?
Also, you never expressed the areas where you disagreed with me.

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