Posted on Jul 10, 2015
Mass shooting statistics prompts gun control, tragic, but overreaction?
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Mass shootings are horribly tragic with out a doubt, and rightfully lead to a discussion of how they could be prevented, but I was surprised how few mass shootings there actually are (15), and even more surprised that almost half have occurred during the current administration (7).
I'm not trying to blame the administration, but putting forth the theory that gun control debate might have the undesired effect of inflated gun ownership by untrained and/or unstable people, and further result in an increase in mass shootings.
Thoughts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
I'm not trying to blame the administration, but putting forth the theory that gun control debate might have the undesired effect of inflated gun ownership by untrained and/or unstable people, and further result in an increase in mass shootings.
Thoughts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
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I'm going to link over to my discussion, but simply put - these innocent people had to WAIT until Law Enforcement arrived to SHOOT this guy and stop him.. If someone had been carrying, they could have saved countless lives. It isn't the fact that a mad man had access to a gun, it is the fact that he supported ISIS/ISIL. He'd have acquired a gun even if the entire country banned them. And for argument's sake, lets say he didn't have a gun. A knife wielding man can kill dozens of people in minutes - a bomb man can kill more in an instant... The lunatic religion radicals are the problem - not the weapons. Guns will protect people from the insane, even if the insane have a gun. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.
Check out my discussion below..
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-is-your-take-on-liberals-using-the-tragic-florida-shooting-as-momentum-to-ban-guns
Check out my discussion below..
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-is-your-take-on-liberals-using-the-tragic-florida-shooting-as-momentum-to-ban-guns
What is your take on Liberals using the tragic Florida shooting as momentum to ban guns? |...
50 innocent people were slain when a gunman identified as Omar S. Mateen, a 29-year-old Florida resident and U.S. citizen (who is alleged to support ISIS/ISIL) went on a shooting rampage in Orlando Florida. Immediately, liberals have began shouting this is the fault of guns. Articles already stating that an "assault rifle" was used. Clearly, disregarding the fact that the shooting was a lunatic who supported ISIS. In my opinion, if guns were...
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They need to add a psychological test to the Range & Classroom time to get a concealed weapon permit. I am lucky in that Kentucky has an "open carry" policy as well and that's how I roll. .45 cal Glock in a cut down belt holster.
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SPC David Hannaman
I would normally agree with this, but so much of the psychological stuff is subjective. You some anti-gun a-hole writing the standards and suddenly anyone who walks through the mall "hyper-aware" because they were trained to and saw combat gets excluded from a CHL because "they have PTSD".
I would agree though wholeheartedly to a law that said if anyone is committed to a mental institution against their will they are excluded from owning a firearm, but I really don't think that's going to stop them from obtaining one anyway. It's just a law on the books that gives something more to throw at them after the fact... not prevention.
I would agree though wholeheartedly to a law that said if anyone is committed to a mental institution against their will they are excluded from owning a firearm, but I really don't think that's going to stop them from obtaining one anyway. It's just a law on the books that gives something more to throw at them after the fact... not prevention.
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NO need at all for more "gun-control", what's in place should be enough and gun ownership is a Right. What really, REALLY needs changing Completely is Criminal Laws. The way to do it, was Clearly Set-up in the Scriptures thousands of years ago, in Gen. 9:5,6. If Justice is done in ALL cases maybe some fear will take hold in the hearths and minds of Criminals and they will think twice.
But in a Corrupt, Incompetent and Perverted "Legal" system, these Criminals get away with Murder daily. Case in Point the Colorado Theater mass murderer.
But in a Corrupt, Incompetent and Perverted "Legal" system, these Criminals get away with Murder daily. Case in Point the Colorado Theater mass murderer.
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SPC David Hannaman
Life in prison?
My take on the legal system is that jury trials are good, and I subscribe to what Benjamin Franklin said: "I would rather see 100 guilty men walk free than to inprison one innocent."
I don't think juries should determine punishment though... Or even know what the punishment could be.
That should be automatic.
My take on the legal system is that jury trials are good, and I subscribe to what Benjamin Franklin said: "I would rather see 100 guilty men walk free than to inprison one innocent."
I don't think juries should determine punishment though... Or even know what the punishment could be.
That should be automatic.
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SPC Luis Mendez
SPC David Hannaman - I disagree with Ben Franklin's statement (if it's true that he said that). He was NOT a lawyer or judge. As far as I know never a Jury either or victim of a Crime. He spoke above and beyond of his Field of Knowledge and training. Clearly his sense of Justice was twisted or absent to say the least.
These days with so much Science, DNA Evidence, Forensic Technology, etc.; There's no reason to parrot "Franklyn's" Absurd. To me that's one more Evidence/Proof of the origins of this Corrupt, Incompetent and Perverted Politico-Legal System, that allows the WORST of Criminals and Murderers go FREE or Not being punished Justly and their Victims without Justice; and having to support and fed them with their Taxes.
Juries are made-up mostly of Legal and Law illiterates, often lacking a Sense of Justice and easily manipulated, even bought or intimidated. Historically juries have demonstrated the prejudices of their times and regions. Usually as Incompetent as the system itself is. There are Plenty, Plenty of examples, the OJ Simpson Jury, the Juries in the South in the days of the Jim Crow laws and Segregation, the Juries in the days of Al Capone in Chicago in the 1930's, and most recent the Jury in the Colorado Theater shooter case. My sense of Justice for these and ALL cases of Murder stems out of the reading of Gen 9:5,6.
These days with so much Science, DNA Evidence, Forensic Technology, etc.; There's no reason to parrot "Franklyn's" Absurd. To me that's one more Evidence/Proof of the origins of this Corrupt, Incompetent and Perverted Politico-Legal System, that allows the WORST of Criminals and Murderers go FREE or Not being punished Justly and their Victims without Justice; and having to support and fed them with their Taxes.
Juries are made-up mostly of Legal and Law illiterates, often lacking a Sense of Justice and easily manipulated, even bought or intimidated. Historically juries have demonstrated the prejudices of their times and regions. Usually as Incompetent as the system itself is. There are Plenty, Plenty of examples, the OJ Simpson Jury, the Juries in the South in the days of the Jim Crow laws and Segregation, the Juries in the days of Al Capone in Chicago in the 1930's, and most recent the Jury in the Colorado Theater shooter case. My sense of Justice for these and ALL cases of Murder stems out of the reading of Gen 9:5,6.
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I'm still on the fence on the validity of the theory that there seems to be a common factor with most of these shooters, the use of psychotropic medications. There is definitely some interesting data associated with the theory.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/dramatic-increase-of-mass-shootings-in-america-the-role-of-prescription-psychiatric-drugs/5358896
http://www.globalresearch.ca/dramatic-increase-of-mass-shootings-in-america-the-role-of-prescription-psychiatric-drugs/5358896
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COL Ted Mc
SPC David Hannaman - Spec; I have no doubt that - now that your daughter has become "chemically dependent" - your daughter does better on the medications than she does off.
My question is "How would she be functioning if she had actually been taught how to use her own skills and strengths to overcome her own weaknesses (as you ended up teaching yourself) so that she doesn't have to keep paying off "Big Pharma" for the rest of her life?".
ADD and ADHD meds always remind me of the old "The first one is always free." line that they used to use in the "anti-drug" ads.
As far as "the school system" is concerned you have to be able to answer the age old question "I know it works in practice, but does it work in theory?" to be able to understand the impact of 'educational theorists' on how "the school system" functions.
My question is "How would she be functioning if she had actually been taught how to use her own skills and strengths to overcome her own weaknesses (as you ended up teaching yourself) so that she doesn't have to keep paying off "Big Pharma" for the rest of her life?".
ADD and ADHD meds always remind me of the old "The first one is always free." line that they used to use in the "anti-drug" ads.
As far as "the school system" is concerned you have to be able to answer the age old question "I know it works in practice, but does it work in theory?" to be able to understand the impact of 'educational theorists' on how "the school system" functions.
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SPC David Hannaman
COL Ted Mc - There's the rub... she was diagnosed with ADD in about the forth grade, we avoided medications and fought an uphill battle for years, lots of long, late nights and tears trying to get homework done, then when she was a sophomore in High School and the classes went beyond what we were able to effectively help her with we decided to try the medication. The change wasn't overnight, but there was a dramatic difference in performance over the next couple of months.
It isn't a "smart pill", but it gets results. She went from struggling to get B's to working hard and getting A's. She's happier, there's less drama, and she has more time to do things she enjoys like managing the baseball team and participating in Marching band. I'm no fan of "Big Pharma", but quality of life has improved, enough so that I've remotely considered seeing what it would do for me.
It isn't a "smart pill", but it gets results. She went from struggling to get B's to working hard and getting A's. She's happier, there's less drama, and she has more time to do things she enjoys like managing the baseball team and participating in Marching band. I'm no fan of "Big Pharma", but quality of life has improved, enough so that I've remotely considered seeing what it would do for me.
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COL Ted Mc
SPC David Hannaman - Spec; It appears that your situation is one of the less than common ones where the diagnosis and treatment were actually appropriate.
Unfortunately (and the studies aren't sufficient to say this with any fervour yet) it does appear that ADD and ADHD medication is being handed out as a substitute for actually dealing with the real problem - "Bored Kids + Inadequate Educational Resources + Teachers Who Can't [with 'can't' including 'can not', 'will not', 'don't want to', and 'aren't allowed to'] Teach".
Unfortunately (and the studies aren't sufficient to say this with any fervour yet) it does appear that ADD and ADHD medication is being handed out as a substitute for actually dealing with the real problem - "Bored Kids + Inadequate Educational Resources + Teachers Who Can't [with 'can't' including 'can not', 'will not', 'don't want to', and 'aren't allowed to'] Teach".
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SPC David Hannaman
COL Ted Mc - Preaching to the choir. I'd add autism to that list as well. If I had a nickle for every time I've witnessed an old fashioned spoiled brat being diagnosed as autistic.
A good teacher is worth their weight in gold, a bad teacher is like stepping in dog poo, stinks and is hard to get rid of.
A good teacher is worth their weight in gold, a bad teacher is like stepping in dog poo, stinks and is hard to get rid of.
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