Posted on Oct 2, 2014
Maybe Movies portray the wrong images? (Jarhead 2)
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So im watching Jarhead 2 in hopes its not like all other sequels to a great initial movie by ruining the first with a watered down version. but that's not the disturbing part...
the disturbing part is im only 5 minutes into the movie after the initial firefight and they are having a luau and yes as any other military movie you see all kinds of misplacement of patches and all kinds of nerve wrenching things....but at the luau they have Marines music blaring which isn't a problem and cheering which isn't a problem my issue came when I saw the men (a group of 4) dancing all provocatively on a female while she is sitting down this struck me as disturbing and I thought....maybe this is our issue movies that doesn't portray the actual military experience and we get pervs or individuals who partake in these types of things come in thinking this is what we do. when its not at all what is done and im sure that's in all branches across the board. I feel its telling these individuals we grind on our women who serve with us, or makes it ok to have SHARP incidents i don't know it just doesn't sit well with me. maybe its wrong timing or i have no clue. am i being too sensitive? did i look too in depth of it? or am i critiquing it too much?
thoughts please?.....
the disturbing part is im only 5 minutes into the movie after the initial firefight and they are having a luau and yes as any other military movie you see all kinds of misplacement of patches and all kinds of nerve wrenching things....but at the luau they have Marines music blaring which isn't a problem and cheering which isn't a problem my issue came when I saw the men (a group of 4) dancing all provocatively on a female while she is sitting down this struck me as disturbing and I thought....maybe this is our issue movies that doesn't portray the actual military experience and we get pervs or individuals who partake in these types of things come in thinking this is what we do. when its not at all what is done and im sure that's in all branches across the board. I feel its telling these individuals we grind on our women who serve with us, or makes it ok to have SHARP incidents i don't know it just doesn't sit well with me. maybe its wrong timing or i have no clue. am i being too sensitive? did i look too in depth of it? or am i critiquing it too much?
thoughts please?.....
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SSG (Join to see), you probably have a point. Those movies are not very accurate. And they may influence a small number of people who join up, but I don't think that's "the problem." I believe the problem is much deeper and widespread (society at large, with or without inaccurate movies).
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SSG (Join to see)
True chief I'd agree with that. I don't know I liked the movie overall more than I thought I would but that part made me feel awkward.
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I wanted to punch myself in the face within the first 5 minutes of this film. I couldn't even finish it!
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No, SSG Jones, you should have that reaction. But, like most of the other respondents on this thread have said, Hollywood's job is to "entertain". I think most Hollywood producers like belittling the military because it makes them feel good.
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Sorry I just can't watch that schlocky shit Hollywood pumps out, it insults anyone's and everyone intelligence.
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I think that I am going to PO a number of people with my answer.
SSG (Join to see), Why does that particular scene bother you so much? That scene alone is mild compared to some of the self-inflicted actions by some of the current and past women in the US Military have done, filmed, and distributed.
What is telling to me is that you concentrated your comment about the actions of the males and the 'lone' female in that scene, and you made not nary a single comment about the supposed 'illegal' action of drinking alcoholic beverages by an O-5 (LTC) (who definitely knows better) and an E-4 (CPL (NCO)) in a combat zone / combat area (at least they (the film makers) made a point of the CPL asking about the action). If you are going to decry what may or may not be an illegal act, when there is definitely illegal action right in front of our face, you/we can not have it both ways.
CW5 (Join to see) and LTC Stephen Conway, I would normally agree that Hollywood's version and real life do not usually meet somewhere in the middle, but tell me what is not accurate about the scene that SSG Jones is asking about, or the one that I am referencing? And before you tell me that I am wrong and that the US Military has changed in that regard from many years ago, are you going to tell me that I have not seen it with my own eyes or that supposed adults that should know better have not publicly released photographs or filmed evidence to the contrary?
SSG (Join to see), Why does that particular scene bother you so much? That scene alone is mild compared to some of the self-inflicted actions by some of the current and past women in the US Military have done, filmed, and distributed.
What is telling to me is that you concentrated your comment about the actions of the males and the 'lone' female in that scene, and you made not nary a single comment about the supposed 'illegal' action of drinking alcoholic beverages by an O-5 (LTC) (who definitely knows better) and an E-4 (CPL (NCO)) in a combat zone / combat area (at least they (the film makers) made a point of the CPL asking about the action). If you are going to decry what may or may not be an illegal act, when there is definitely illegal action right in front of our face, you/we can not have it both ways.
CW5 (Join to see) and LTC Stephen Conway, I would normally agree that Hollywood's version and real life do not usually meet somewhere in the middle, but tell me what is not accurate about the scene that SSG Jones is asking about, or the one that I am referencing? And before you tell me that I am wrong and that the US Military has changed in that regard from many years ago, are you going to tell me that I have not seen it with my own eyes or that supposed adults that should know better have not publicly released photographs or filmed evidence to the contrary?
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LTC Stephen Conway
I can't answer your question fully one where the other. I was in a war zone in 2004 and only in Baghdad they allow you to have more in the beer to see the Star Wars movie coming out of the time. I was just saying Hollywood purpose he puts on officers with flash on their parade are they making more the wrong uniforms and Captain Dale Dye cannot be there all the time to make Corrections.
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SSG Robert Webster
LTC Stephen Conway - What are you talking about? It does not make sense in conjunction with what is being discussed.
The only item, that you mentioned is about being served one or more beers in Baghdad, though in apparent violation of GO #1 for that area, it is very different than being on an FOB and getting ready to go on patrol, the very next day, how does that correlate? Though it is a silly and almost unenforceable order, it is a clear violation of the order and the intent of the order; whereas the 'lap dance' item is not a clear violation of an order (that I know of), though it does go against the intent of the policies and regulations surrounding sexual relations within the military. I stated that those are the issues that I have a problem with - who gives a heck about the uniforms as used in the movies, even the historically accurate ones, even with good advisors (Dale Dye, is not necessarily a great or good one (take a look at some of the body of his work)) uniforms and other like items get messed up. (Think the John Wayne parachute jump scene in "The Green Berets", where they had all kinds of experts immediately available; and considering that previous to that he (John Wayne) had portrayed LTC Vandervoort (in "The Longest Day")(2/505th PIR)).
The only item, that you mentioned is about being served one or more beers in Baghdad, though in apparent violation of GO #1 for that area, it is very different than being on an FOB and getting ready to go on patrol, the very next day, how does that correlate? Though it is a silly and almost unenforceable order, it is a clear violation of the order and the intent of the order; whereas the 'lap dance' item is not a clear violation of an order (that I know of), though it does go against the intent of the policies and regulations surrounding sexual relations within the military. I stated that those are the issues that I have a problem with - who gives a heck about the uniforms as used in the movies, even the historically accurate ones, even with good advisors (Dale Dye, is not necessarily a great or good one (take a look at some of the body of his work)) uniforms and other like items get messed up. (Think the John Wayne parachute jump scene in "The Green Berets", where they had all kinds of experts immediately available; and considering that previous to that he (John Wayne) had portrayed LTC Vandervoort (in "The Longest Day")(2/505th PIR)).
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