Posted on May 29, 2015
Mohammad cartoon contest in front of a Phoenix Mosque. What are your thoughts?
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I am a Humanist I have = measures of disdain for jihadists, evangelists, and anyone else who tries to shove their doctrine on people (take that WBC). I have HUGE contempt for both those calling for this provocative contest & those calling for exercising their right to carry. Don't get me wrong, I am PRO-Gun & PRO-Free Speech. This event sounds IMHO as potentially reckless as screaming "FIRE" in a theater. It is the Muslims who have to deal w/ living in the 21st century where Non-Muslims have the birthright to express our opinions on the ludicrousness of their religion just as 42% of our fellow Americans who believe the Earth is 10,000yrs old get laughed at by me. An armed society is big responsibility & this looks like it might get out of hand by reactionaries.
RELIGION RUINS EVERYTHING
RELIGION RUINS EVERYTHING
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CPT Jack Durish
Why did you add the graphic "Religion Ruins Everything"? It seems highly provocative and hardly necessary to your comment. Just asking...
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i think nothing of it . but what does america think about the thousands of christians being murdered by islam?
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I understand the 1st amendment and we are in America, but there is a sort of disrespect about how they are going about the whole event. We can be free to express our thoughts, but with a certain decorum. The Prophet Mohammed cartoon contest in Dallas wasn’t done at an Islamic Community Center it was held at a neutral site, and that showed respect and was in good taste in regards to what the event is about. Having a Prophet Mohammed cartoon contest outside a Phoenix mosque is pushing the envelope, and then having protesters shout obscenities and carry signs that read "F*** Islam", we can’t have it one way. If you want the 1st amendment upheld then show respect. Good judgement and common sense needs to prevail.
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The problem with this sort of an event is that the almost two billion Muslims (like me) who acknowledge your right to free speech and though I do not like it and think it's a tasteless event with little to no benefit, I would not do much to stop it other than speaking to the leader one on one. The people who will react violently, which undoubtedly would amount to less than ten if anything did happen, are the people who the leader thinks represent all of Islam. It dumbfounds me.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
I appreciate your post, SPC, but hardly believe you can speak for 2 Billion ANYONE. I certainly can't. I can only speak for myself. I appreciate your speaking fr YOURself.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
I guess I don't understand how if there are two billion Muslims who are like you, how are these small Muslim terrorist organizations able to operate so freely in the middle east and elsewhere? Why are we hearing more and more in the news about Muslims attempting to implement Sharia law in other countries?
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PO1 Kerry French
There are not 2 billion Muslims. There are about 1.6 billion and the percentage of them that support jihad is about 40% - hardly a small number
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SFC Matthew Parker
1.6 is the same as almost 2, stop being rude.
its not 40% that support terrorism or violence. Stop quoting non facts and out right nonsense. Jihad does not mean violence, it does not mean killing innocents and it does not mean terrorism. Its not world domination and it does not mean eliminate Christian thinking or religion.
Will you please for the love of all that's holy read a history book, speak with a Imam at the local mosque and try understanding the difference between a Muslim in the US and the radicals in the middle east.
Do you even know the difference between shia and sunni or care?
its not 40% that support terrorism or violence. Stop quoting non facts and out right nonsense. Jihad does not mean violence, it does not mean killing innocents and it does not mean terrorism. Its not world domination and it does not mean eliminate Christian thinking or religion.
Will you please for the love of all that's holy read a history book, speak with a Imam at the local mosque and try understanding the difference between a Muslim in the US and the radicals in the middle east.
Do you even know the difference between shia and sunni or care?
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I get it.. I understand what they are trying to do, but do they have to take it to a Mosque? Dare I say it, but there are probably innocent people in there that want nothing to do with those ISIS cats. Maybe say "Hey.. Terrorists.. we are going to be in the desert at these exact coordinates (address) drawing pictures of your God.. Meet us there to talk about it." That way all that want trouble (including the media) can be in one big open space to kill the hell out of each other
Well.. its Friday and there is some Knob Creek calling my name!
~Cheers!
Well.. its Friday and there is some Knob Creek calling my name!
~Cheers!
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The extremists doing the provocative drawings are well within their rights, however that doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is offensive and disgusting. The fact that other extremists might show up and participate in violent acts that are even more offensive and disgusting doesn't change that.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Sorry, read another one of your posts a little further down. I agree with what you said.
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SSG (Join to see)
If Atheists are provoking Christians in an attempt to get a violent response, we should condemn it even though we defend their right to be jerks. The same goes for people attempting to provoke a violent response from Muslims, I defend their rights... at the same time I condemn their actions.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
The more we use the term "extremists", the less it has meaning. Of course, Ayn Rand noted this in 1964, and I see the term has had its resurrection. Is extremism bad in itself? Of course not. One can be extremely honest or extremely dishonest, extremely just or extremely unjust, extremely pleasant or extremely foul, for just a few examples. Extreme is simply a degree.
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SSG (Join to see)
A group of people who arm themselves and attempt to incite violence in front of Mosque qualify as extremists in my book. Thankfully they are not violent extremists.
I saw no sign of extremism within the Islamic community in Phoenix, however if a group of them felt arming themselves and then urinating on images of Jesus in front of the local Christian church was an appropriate response... they would be extremists as well.
I saw no sign of extremism within the Islamic community in Phoenix, however if a group of them felt arming themselves and then urinating on images of Jesus in front of the local Christian church was an appropriate response... they would be extremists as well.
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Everyone agrees that it is their 1st Ammendment right to do this, and they are correct, however insensitive it is to those who follow that faith. My opinion is this, the only reason they are doing this is to cause controversy, and there is no other reason as to why they chose that specific location. It's bad enough the contest is going to stir up conflict, but the location will just add fuel to the fire.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
One cannot "take advantage" of one's rights. You have them or you don't. The message is clear: "this is our country, we live by our traditions". Our traditions recognize people's right to worship as they see fit and to be offended, but not to act our violently against speech they don't like. One initiates violence when he is out of arguments or is simply too lazy to make them. In my humble opinion, not enough people are speaking out against brutality in the name of Islam, more often than not imposed on other supposed Muslims, including honor killings, beatings, slavery, public floggings, genital mutilations, general subjugation of women, and many other horrors. This is no longer the 8th Century. If a Muslim population doesn't want these demonstrations, all they have to do is ignore them and they'll go away. It's the angry reaction, itself, that is the reason for doing this. When we don't exercise our rights, ALL of our rights, we lose them, eventually. Ponder that.
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SFC Ron Chelsy
CDR Goldschmidt I agree that as Americans we have the right to demonstrate, and should be allowed to do it wherever we please, as long as the intent is to be a peaceful one. The person who organized this demonstration even explained that with the First Ammendment . I personally believe peaceful intentions were not his mindset. I believe this because he also wanted to emphasize the 2nd Ammendment, and told everyone to bring their guns as well to protect their rights under the 1st Ammendment. And in case you were wondering, yes I do believe we all have the right to carry a gun. So if his intention was to be peaceful why than bring up the 2nd Ammendment and encourage people to bring their guns?
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
Maybe, SFC Ron Chelsy, it has something to do with the violent response to the last Draw Mohammad event in Texas?
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SFC Ron Chelsy
There is no doubt it is because of what happened in Texas. Arizona law allows individuals to openly carry a gun, but if you are telling people to make sure to bring them than its asking for trouble. The people who live here in Arizona already carry their guns do not need to be reminded about that. I see it everyday people carrying their guns just because they can. And there is nothing wrong with that. The reminder never should have been put out is all I am saying.
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