Posted on May 29, 2015
Mohammad cartoon contest in front of a Phoenix Mosque. What are your thoughts?
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I guess the real argument here is if we agree with their intent of the event, or the consequences.
The intent of the event is to practice their right of assembly, free speech, right to bear arms, etc. I don't believe there is anyone (here on rallypoint) who believes they shouldn't hold this event for these reasons.
However, the consequences of the event are definitely in question. By consequentialism ethics, one can clearly see that this event is definitely unethical, and it should not be held. However, it is still not illegal to do something unethical, as long at the people involved are following the law. So, it is all subjective. Ethics are subjective, one can believe in deontologic ethics, and one can believe in consequential ethics. So, some would think it's ethically acceptable, and others would think it's unethical... The resulting view of the situation is extremely dependent on one's personal views.
In my personal opinion, yes what they are doing is "wrong," but they have every right to do it. I don't follow that way of living. I would rather hold the event somewhere less provocative (I would actually not hold the event at all if it were up to me.)
The intent of the event is to practice their right of assembly, free speech, right to bear arms, etc. I don't believe there is anyone (here on rallypoint) who believes they shouldn't hold this event for these reasons.
However, the consequences of the event are definitely in question. By consequentialism ethics, one can clearly see that this event is definitely unethical, and it should not be held. However, it is still not illegal to do something unethical, as long at the people involved are following the law. So, it is all subjective. Ethics are subjective, one can believe in deontologic ethics, and one can believe in consequential ethics. So, some would think it's ethically acceptable, and others would think it's unethical... The resulting view of the situation is extremely dependent on one's personal views.
In my personal opinion, yes what they are doing is "wrong," but they have every right to do it. I don't follow that way of living. I would rather hold the event somewhere less provocative (I would actually not hold the event at all if it were up to me.)
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This is honestly one of the dumbest ideas I've seen today. What's the purpose? How are we benefiting from this?
This to me is trolling at its best... Don't feed the troll's...
Cheers!
This to me is trolling at its best... Don't feed the troll's...
Cheers!
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dumb. if Islamist did this in front of a church in America tons of people would go bananas and prob start a war.
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With rights also come responsibility. Yes, freedom of speech and press should be and are protected to an extent. But we also have responsibilities. Exercising these rights is obviously offensive to many people, and someone has to be the bigger person to stop the hatred. Do the Westboro Baptist Church have the right to say "thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates f**s"? Yes they do, but all it is doing is creating hatred, just like these contests. Be a responsible individual with your rights, people.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
When you don't exercise your rights, Lt., you lose them. To bend an entire society to a minority's whims is simply sending the wrong message. That, in fact, is what Political Correctness has done. Be careful out there and don't put ordnance on target in response to unlawful orders.
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Yea..."bring your guns" cause it's about freedom of speech? These people are cowards! if they want to fight for their freedoms, head to nearest recruiting office. people are so eger to "fight for this" or "stand up to that" but what happened to the will to die for what's right, to lay down for truth? Gandhi, MLK, Alice Paul, etc. the real protest, the real dedication to cause is the willingness to put your individual self out there and give up your safety, your freedom, your comfort and if nessisary your life for your cause. These people are just noise and they are not inspiring anything but hatred. Nice to neo nazis with their SS t's on in the crowd, there's a touch of class for ya! Illistrates my point perfectly...if they showed up with candles and silence and open hearts and minds we my have over come something.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
Really, head to the nearest recruiting office? You defend your freedoms by dying for lies, as has so often be the case? I'm very disappointed in that, MSgt. I'm sure I would like you, so I urge you to read a little of the history leading up to so many of our wars. We mostly don't fight for what we think we're defending. That's why exercising our rights AT HOME is so crucial. Armed self-defense is yet another right, and all of the others aren't worth spit without that one. As for Neo-Nazis (or anyone who believes in there being more than one HUMAN race), they can all go to hell, as far as I'm concerned), but I would die for all of our individual rights to express ourselves and defend ourselves. That's what our oaths were all about.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
You think a bunch of people drawing provocative cartoons and showing up strapped to place of worship is defending freedom? it didn't change anything except made this country look like a bunch a middle schoolers.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
As you said...you would die for these freedoms. Obviously. But this group of folks is just kicking bee hives and provoking bad relations. So if they are so convicted...they should head to a recruiting office. Not that I want to serve with these bigots...
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
I'm all about their rights.i support the ACLU unfortunately all I can do is talk about it I don't particularly demand they shut up that would be un 'Merican
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For all those proclaiming 1st amendment privilege for this "demonstration" I suggest that you google Schenk v US. I would think that this applies.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
The 1st Amendment does not recognize PRIVILEGE, COL Romanick, but rights. There couldn't be a bigger difference.
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LTC Bink Romanick
Bad choice of words Commander....there is no right to hate speech or provocative behavior Schenk V US for the behavior component.
But of course we are hiding behind a rights issue when all we wanted to see was a Muslim shooting gallery in Phoenix. Let's not wet my leg and tell me it's raining.
Enough of the BS polemics and parsing. This was an organized hate rally and a hoped for reaction.
But of course we are hiding behind a rights issue when all we wanted to see was a Muslim shooting gallery in Phoenix. Let's not wet my leg and tell me it's raining.
Enough of the BS polemics and parsing. This was an organized hate rally and a hoped for reaction.
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Just waiting for the attack to happen. Saw the guy on TV and he's wants to incite chaos, total douche!!!
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The organizers of this event are clearly disrespectful of other peoples faith. I find it in bad taste, however they have the right to express their freedom of speech.
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SFC Matthew Parker
You surprised? Religion, politics and ignorance, throw in some fear and you have some of these responses.
Great question though, had me ask myself if I was there would I defend the right of the fools doing the event and I have to say I would, up until they brought guns into this.
Great question though, had me ask myself if I was there would I defend the right of the fools doing the event and I have to say I would, up until they brought guns into this.
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