Posted on Apr 26, 2021
My 91m E5 husband wants to become warrant. Any advice/tips for him?
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He got assigned recruiter recently and we heard it is very hard to become warrant after so he will be submitting his packet soon. He has wanted to be a warrant officer almost as soon as he joined he was just waiting for the time and experience to be able to submit the packet and be accepted. Any tips will be appreciated. He does have good NCEORS and he did act as an E6 for some months (reflected in his latest NCEOR).
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I became a Warrant from Recruiting. It's no different from putting in a packet anywhere else.
USAREC will likely not allow him to submit the packet until he has done at least 2 years of time at the Recruiting Station. It takes about a year to build the packet anyway. You can both take the time to build a great packet while waiting for the 2 year mark to submit. Just ensure he performs as a Recruiter as he must have Letters of Recommendation from his Company and Battalion Commanders - both of which will look at his recruiting performance.
Here's the thing - his application HELPS the Warrant Officer Recruiting Company make its mission. Many commanders however forget about the timelines. He has to build the packet, submit it (earlier if waivers), wait for the board, get selected, wait for WOCS, wait for WOBC - THEN PCS away from the recruiting station.
Up until he goes TDY for WOCS - he is still value added to the Recruiting Station and will work as a Recruiter. After WOCS...he outranks the entire station, and is a known loss - therefore taking up space that they could fill with a new Recruiter to do the work. So these are the things he needs to explain to his command team so they don't make him wait too long.
Also he should look and find which board he needs to submit for for his desired MOS (or MOS' - can apply to 3 that he thinks he is qualified for) and then backward plan from the date the packet needs to be submitted (Letters of Rec can take a LOOONG time to get the CO/BC to sign their name). He also needs to find a senior Warrant in those MOS' (each one being applied for) to also write a letter (usually last thing as they also proof the packet)
Bottom line, yes he can do it from USAREC. This recruiting time will just add to qualifications and fill his DD214 a little more (and some college credits).
USAREC will likely not allow him to submit the packet until he has done at least 2 years of time at the Recruiting Station. It takes about a year to build the packet anyway. You can both take the time to build a great packet while waiting for the 2 year mark to submit. Just ensure he performs as a Recruiter as he must have Letters of Recommendation from his Company and Battalion Commanders - both of which will look at his recruiting performance.
Here's the thing - his application HELPS the Warrant Officer Recruiting Company make its mission. Many commanders however forget about the timelines. He has to build the packet, submit it (earlier if waivers), wait for the board, get selected, wait for WOCS, wait for WOBC - THEN PCS away from the recruiting station.
Up until he goes TDY for WOCS - he is still value added to the Recruiting Station and will work as a Recruiter. After WOCS...he outranks the entire station, and is a known loss - therefore taking up space that they could fill with a new Recruiter to do the work. So these are the things he needs to explain to his command team so they don't make him wait too long.
Also he should look and find which board he needs to submit for for his desired MOS (or MOS' - can apply to 3 that he thinks he is qualified for) and then backward plan from the date the packet needs to be submitted (Letters of Rec can take a LOOONG time to get the CO/BC to sign their name). He also needs to find a senior Warrant in those MOS' (each one being applied for) to also write a letter (usually last thing as they also proof the packet)
Bottom line, yes he can do it from USAREC. This recruiting time will just add to qualifications and fill his DD214 a little more (and some college credits).
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Have your husband find a mentor in his field and have that Warrant Officer guide him through the process. Even though he is on recruiting he should be able to reach back to some warrant officers that he has known in the past.
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Stellar Letters of Recommendation from past Commanders, Colonels and especially from at least 1 General Officer a plus!
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If he’s already been tagged with recruiter duty, it’s highly unlikely he can even be boarded. If he really wants to go warrant, then use the time he has to beef up his packet. It will still be worth it!
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Diana Cramer
We have heard it is close to impossible to become a warrant officer after doing recruiting duty. Have you seen that to be accurate?
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It may be difficult while serving as a recruiter as there are no recruiting warrants. However, it never hurts to submit a packet. It’s definitely not impossible, but it may push the timeline a bit. I was in a similar situation. I was a sister service applicant who promoted myself into a Senior Enlisted Leader position. That forced me to wait three years before I could apply but I was picked up when I finally could drop my packet. It was worth the wait. We constantly hear about how people thought about dropping a packet but didn’t because of [name a reason]. It’s always advantageous to submit a packet. He should use this chance to build upon his leadership experience, writing skills, and education to be more competitive.
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CW3 Patrick Plummer
That is not true I was boarded while I was on recruiting. I received my gold badge with 9mths so, before you say I was a scrub as a recruiter that was not the case. WOC is apart of recruiting command and if there is a need in your MOS they will have no problem releasing you. My advice to you is let the board tell you no and don't knock yourself out before trying. Warrant Officer 101!!
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The new requirements don't make NCOERs a mandate. He will need in its place a well written letter of recommendation from a senior warrant in his feeder ( position his MOS equates too as a warrant). As for advice he will need lots of discipline, a positive attitude, be in shape with no profiles and willing to work as a team member.
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Being a recruiter won't stop him from dropping his packet, I knew a guy who got pulled out of Iraq to attend WOCS when he passed his FEDREC board, so no worries there. 91M is the feeder MOS for 915A. All of the details, pre-requisites, paperwork and the process can be found here: https://recruiting.army.mil/ISO/AWOR/915A/. He will need to find a CW3 915A to endorse his packet, and ideally this Warrant Officer would also serve as his mentor as he navigates the process. Good luck!
U.S. ARMY RECRUITING COMMAND In-Service Opportunities U.S. Army Warrant Officer Recruiting Do...
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I'll be honest, the ordnance branch specifically for 915's do not usually pick up recruiters because of the amount of time and knowledge they loose from being out of the motorpool. A 915A is the feeder MOS your husband may qualify for. Knowledge lost from the constant changing of the GCSS Army system and especially the Army's constantly changing doctrine. I personally know a few recruiters that have had their packets flat out denied by branch simply because they have been out of the maintenance environment too long/not enough experience in maintenance. This does not mean your husband is not qualified, this is only my experience from friends who had been recruiters. (And I did not see any recruiters in my WOCS/WOBC as far as 915's)
With that being said, now is the best time to drop that packet, since he is still fresh out of the motorpool. He will probably have a hard time getting his commander and battalion commander to give him letters of recommendation, since usarec is famous for not releasing people for any reason really.
The best advice I can give is to never give up. When I was putting my packet I was told ," you are you're own worst disqualifier, just submit what you have and try not to over think it."
With that being said, now is the best time to drop that packet, since he is still fresh out of the motorpool. He will probably have a hard time getting his commander and battalion commander to give him letters of recommendation, since usarec is famous for not releasing people for any reason really.
The best advice I can give is to never give up. When I was putting my packet I was told ," you are you're own worst disqualifier, just submit what you have and try not to over think it."
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Diana Cramer
I was just curious because this effects me too, I don't know why you had to be rude. He didn't even know I asked, I just wanted the information. When you are married you try to support each other and doing that means understanding what the other person is going through and helping if you can.
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SPC James Neidig
Diana Cramer You Sound Like a Great Wife Who Supports Her Husband, I Talked every Decision I Made With my Wife. Then we came to a Decision Together.
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