Posted on Nov 4, 2015
My BAH was lowered while I'm in AIT and my wife resides in another state, help!
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Hey Soldiers,
So I'm currently at Ft Gordon, GA for AIT on my 3rd week. I'm here for 25b IT Specialist(22 weeks), I'm married, no children and my spouse is currently in CA. The VHA zip code on my LES changed from CA(where my wife currently resides, working, with a 1-year lease) to here in Augusta, GA. I met with the NG Liaison and he said there was a policy that came out a few months ago that states if a Soldier in training's MOS is 20 weeks or longer, the zip code changes to where the soldier is currently at. Doesn't make any sense to me since it won't cover my rent alone. From LA to Augusta, the rate difference is huge. He said all I can do is file a complaint. He told me to google NGB and read up on it but I haven't seen anything about it. As far as I know speaking to other NCOs here that it shouldn't be like that. I should be receiving the rate based on where my spouse is residing. Is the liaison just jerking my chain?
I'm making an appt with my S1(Finance) to see if he can help. Should I go to JAG?
WHAT ELSE CAN I DO?
Thank you
So I'm currently at Ft Gordon, GA for AIT on my 3rd week. I'm here for 25b IT Specialist(22 weeks), I'm married, no children and my spouse is currently in CA. The VHA zip code on my LES changed from CA(where my wife currently resides, working, with a 1-year lease) to here in Augusta, GA. I met with the NG Liaison and he said there was a policy that came out a few months ago that states if a Soldier in training's MOS is 20 weeks or longer, the zip code changes to where the soldier is currently at. Doesn't make any sense to me since it won't cover my rent alone. From LA to Augusta, the rate difference is huge. He said all I can do is file a complaint. He told me to google NGB and read up on it but I haven't seen anything about it. As far as I know speaking to other NCOs here that it shouldn't be like that. I should be receiving the rate based on where my spouse is residing. Is the liaison just jerking my chain?
I'm making an appt with my S1(Finance) to see if he can help. Should I go to JAG?
WHAT ELSE CAN I DO?
Thank you
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 85
The national guard liason is correct for unmarried but there is a form that allows you to get bah from home of record as long as your permanent residence and spouse still reside at the home of record
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There's nothing that the JAG would be able to do for you since they deal strictly with the UCMJ and BAH is guided by the Joint Federal Travel Regulations (JTR). It's going to come down to when you got married and what type of orders you have. If you were married before boot camp, and have unaccompanied orders to AIT, then you should rate your spouse's BAH. There's a lot of other things that go into calculating it, such as effective dates of orders and other such nerdery.
Also considering I was in the Financial Management Officers Course a few weeks ago and they didn't notify us of any changes or updates, I would take your liaison's advice with a grain of salt. Yes I am a Marine and don't work with Army money, but BAH and pay are universal among the services.
Long story short, if you rated it and they stopped it, you'll get back payed. If you didn't rate it and they gave it to you, you're going to have to pay it back. Talk to your disbursing or finance office and they can sort you out, if you have one. If all else fails, there are always waivers for everything.
Good luck!
Also considering I was in the Financial Management Officers Course a few weeks ago and they didn't notify us of any changes or updates, I would take your liaison's advice with a grain of salt. Yes I am a Marine and don't work with Army money, but BAH and pay are universal among the services.
Long story short, if you rated it and they stopped it, you'll get back payed. If you didn't rate it and they gave it to you, you're going to have to pay it back. Talk to your disbursing or finance office and they can sort you out, if you have one. If all else fails, there are always waivers for everything.
Good luck!
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I take it NG is national guard right? Then they are confusing the policy, as it is only for active duty. What always works for me is to ask and see the policy and then ask them to show where it says that. They will, but then it should say if it is applicable to the reserve. It is not.
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He's bullshiting you bah is for your spouse not you if your ait orders say unaccompanied then you should be receiving bah for where she currently resides
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Thank you all! Will talk to my Plt Sgt to make an appt with my S1, will keep you guys updated
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
Please do keep us updated, I would like hear how this plays out. I assure you, this is a screw up, NG and Reserve (TPU) never pcs, doesn't matter how long the school is. Think about it - you're going to uproot your family, sell your house, etc for 22 weeks? No.
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Folks, it is remarkable how much misinformation is being provided here. If you don't know the answer or if your only experience is when a similar situation happened to you in 1992, don't respond.
Here are the facts:
1a. Type of orders is paramount
1b. If it is PCS (to include TAD in excess of 20 weeks) then you are paid BAH at the duty location
2. Anything different than this needs to be approved by "the secretarial process" which means that services department head and your S1 likely has zero experience with that
3. Correct reference is JTR CH 10 Paragraph 10416
In conclusion, you rate BAH at the TAD site (since it is in excess of 20 weeks) and it will take the pen of a General Officer to dictate otherwise (unlikely based on the justification provided).
Here are the facts:
1a. Type of orders is paramount
1b. If it is PCS (to include TAD in excess of 20 weeks) then you are paid BAH at the duty location
2. Anything different than this needs to be approved by "the secretarial process" which means that services department head and your S1 likely has zero experience with that
3. Correct reference is JTR CH 10 Paragraph 10416
In conclusion, you rate BAH at the TAD site (since it is in excess of 20 weeks) and it will take the pen of a General Officer to dictate otherwise (unlikely based on the justification provided).
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PFC, I know everyone wants to throw their two cents in but their is one big factor here. First, all of you training is paid for by NG funds, it is only funneled through Active duty LOA. The NG is not paying to move you family as you PCS from training station to training station, that's the difference between the NG vs. Active duty and the Reserves (Federally funded). I've experienced this issue by being CADRE at a Training POST and now I see it by being at the Division level with IG complaints. This will all lead back to the NG and no one else, and their policy is not to PCS your family
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PFC Your NG career counselor is correct. What most NG and reserve commanders fails to tell their Soldiers going to training is that ARMY policy states anything over 20 weeks you get local BAH, even though your wife is not authorized to PCS with you. If would like this changed, solicit your NG Command team and try to have your orders changes to have your spouse PCS, other wise you will be paying out of your pocket. This was and still is a very common problem that we had at FT Sam Houston with all of our NG Soldiers, I'm very familiar with this. The NG usually isn't willing to pay for family PCS's because it costs the state money, not the federal government. Hope this helps SFC Barber
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I just talked to a friend at finance and she said its true... She said she thinks the change is if the duty is 140 days or more then the BAH changes to the duty location... My question again though is if you are guard then when you leave training your BAH goes away...
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A PFC, using any sorts of technology during basic and AIT? Never heard of that kind of field trip before in the army. But same advice as everyone else is giving. Get off your rally point app and go talk to finance.
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SGT Charles Petty
Unfortunately, while I was stationed at Gordon there was a lot of that...including an extremely sensitive/embarrassing incident involving a lost phone (loved those nights at the ER).
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