Posted on Feb 19, 2020
SrA Marcus Frey
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I am trying to obtain the unredacted service records for my Father who Retired as a Full Colonel. At the time of his entry in the Air Force, he was a Textile Engineer, at his retirement he was Head of Personnel for T.A.C., any records of what he had done in the service has been "Slightly" Redacted due to things he worked on. Is there a way to obtain the full record of his service? I only want to Honor his Service, since he passed away in 1998, I obtained some records, not all. Please tell me how to obtain full records of his service. Thank You.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Funny, I did 32 and out as an O-6. Last thing I did before retiring was to get a fiche of my official record. The "stuff" that's not supposed to go into it never did, so there's nothing to redact. The record shows my assignments, but not where the assignments took me. The record won't show what you did with the exception of the name of the billet, whatever was allowed (nonclassified) in the fitness reports, and whatever is allowed on the awards. Like most everyone, there is the record and then there is what you actually did. Two different things. There'd be other records, but they'd be classified. Most classified is never declassified for public consumption. If you fill out the forms right, you'll get what is allowed to be given.

Tell you a true story. Look up "Project Coldfeet". The main guy, Lenny LeSchack, lived nearby and we did our "535 Club" thing every Thursday. Yes, he had a service record, but only a portion of the real story became evident years after when the CIA declassified some of the stuff. Imagine being a very junior O-3 with a LOM on your chest that you can't talk about. There's other stuff about his life that now rests with him at Arlington. We talked a lot because we both spent a pile of time in Antarctica, 20 years apart. Great guy but a tragic ending with a faulty heater and carbon monoxide. He didn't have long anyways given his affirmaties and maybe that was a blessing. I have some of my father's record. It talked about being deep in China during WWII. What he did was another story for which his personal record along with photos told a deeper and more brutal story.
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SrA Marcus Frey
SrA Marcus Frey
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Unfortunately I think you are probably correct in me not getting the full story. I know there is a reason for classified redactions. I would like to be able to have his full story... more than what is on the paperwork. If I can't get it, I will have to be ok with it. Thank you.
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SrA Marcus Frey
SrA Marcus Frey
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I wanted to add my condolences for the loss of your friend. My father passed in 1998 due to Agent Orange Exposure. I was only lucky enough to find some of his records. Thank you for the information.
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Col Michael Morgan
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Sorry you can't receive full records due to Security Clearances. I hzd the same problem with my Dad.
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SrA Marcus Frey
SrA Marcus Frey
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Col Michael Morgan Thank you. I am sorry you are having the same issues I am having.
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Col Ramon Benedetto
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Some things never get into official records, simply because performance reports are summaries and highlights of what a person has done within a designated reporting period, which is usually a year or less. Top secret mission details are never included in such reports for national security. What you see in those reports is what was allowed at the time. Blanket TDY orders, which are not accessible because they existed at the unit level and were usually destroyed after their required retention period of 5-7 years, also did not tell where a member was assigned temporarily in the performance of certain missions. Unless you got the stories directly from your dad, there is lots of stuff you may never be able to recapture, which is simply the “nature of the beast.” Having said that, review your dad’s file for the units to which he was assigned then look through the Air Force Assn Magazine (you can access online) for unit reunions. You may be able to find connections through those groups who may have known your dad and may be able to discuss declassified activities with which he was associated.
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SrA Marcus Frey
SrA Marcus Frey
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Thank You Very Much.. Most of the information I have about him.have been slightly Vague on details, certain things were only told after his passing by my Mother. He did tell me of his work on the first space suit "For some fool to try to walk on the moon." (He graduated Georgia Tech in '55 with a Textile Engineering degree. And of course I am having a difficult time finding much information on that. Thank you for replying. I guess there are just some things I will Never know about the Man.
Much appreciated!
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My father served in the Air Force for 32 Years. He retired in 1982. Is there a way to obtain unredacted service records?
SSG Robert Perrotto
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Honestly - it depends on what he did, and if the information can carry consequences, even remotely. I am pretty sure from 1950 to 1982 there is a good chance that he was part of some hush hush ops, even if it was on a fringe basis, we are talking about the Korean Conflict, Vietnam, and other, smaller, operations that may seem irrelevant, but if pieced together with other information, can paint a pretty clear picture.
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Marty Osborne
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USA Military service at VA
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SGT Robert Pryor
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Yes, they can be obtained by submitting as Standard Form 180 to the National Archives. The request has to be made by the veteran, or by the next of kin if the veteran is deceased. In the case of a deceased veteran, the next of kin should be prepared to show that the veteran is deceased and prove the relationship. It really is very simple.

https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/standard-form-180.html
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SGT Robert Pryor
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SrA Marcus Frey - You can also request the veterans awards and decorations.
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SGT Robert Pryor
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SrA Marcus Frey - I used to do this for a living, and I only ever saw a couple of redacted copies. It was long ago, but I think one was from an escaped POW from WWII (probably showing information on the French underground) and I think the other one involve some criminal activity -- but I can't be sure after all these years. You will most likely receive an unredacted version. They do provide some documents with Social Security numbers removed, but I doubt that's what you mean by redacted.
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SrA Marcus Frey
SrA Marcus Frey
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SGT Robert Pryor Thank You So Much! You are correct in your assumption on the redactions. I know some of his work was classified. However, that was Vietnam, and before, like his work with the space program. I will attempt to obtain the records the way you suggest. I am very proud of his work and Service to Our Country. Hopefully this will give me a more clear understanding of his complete career in the Air Force.
I have some of his Medals and Accommodations, It would be very nice to have the Paperwork that goes along with them. Thank you again!
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SGT Robert Pryor
SGT Robert Pryor
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SrA Marcus Frey - Some of my work was classified, but when I obtained a copy of my records, nothing was redacted. Of course, I wasn't so high speed, low drag, that any of my activities had to be hidden, just the results of those activities were hidden. Plus, most classified information loses it classified status with time -- usually 25 years. Viet Nam was 50 years ago, so the chances of anything your grandfather did still being classified are almost nonexistent. Also, missions can be classified, but people are not. DOD has ways of wording things anyway, to give service members their due. Think wording things like "While serving n an advisory position in a Southeast Asian country" as opposed to saying "While participating in Operation White Star in Laos." They both almost, kind of, say the same thing about a mission that was highly classified back in 1961.
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