Posted on Jun 1, 2015
SGT 94 E Radio Comsec Repairer
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I deployed to Afghanistan in 2012 with Temporary Change of Station (TCS) orders that said my tour would be no longer than 270 days (about 9 months). My tour ended up being 8 months and 1 day, as my unit redeployed a few weeks early. The unit I deployed with awarded me the Overseas Service Ribbon (OSR) for having completed a tour. I arrived at my current unit a few months ago, and prior to my recent appearance at the promotion board, S1 reviewed my records and removed the OSR from my ERB, stating that I didn't serve overseas long enough to qualify for the OSR. My Platoon Sergeant is the one who made me aware of S1's decision to remove my OSR, and he hasn't disagreed with S1's decision or made any moves to investigate the situation, so I did the research on my own.

AR 600-8-22 says that the OSR is awarded to Soldiers who are credited with a normal overseas tour completion according to AR 614-30. AR 614-30 says that a Soldier has completed a tour if he serves to within 60 days of the prescribed tour. I was deployed to within 21 days of my prescribed tour, and my early return wasn't under my control or by my request; my whole unit redeployed a few weeks early. According to my research, I should be able to keep my OSR.

I'm going to print my TCS deployment orders and take them to S1 to show that my prescribed tour was only 9 months, but beyond that, I haven't decided what to do. Has anyone else been in this situation, or can anyone explain where I went wrong in my evaluation? What would you do in my situation?
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SGT Edwin Claudio
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I find this a crock of poop. You go overseas, do what you do and then they tell you you don't qualify for an award for going overseas. I have to remind myself that common sense is not a military term.
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MSG John Duchesneau
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I don't know about the Air Force but in the Army overseas is anything outside of the Continental US.
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SSG(P) Squad Leader
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SPC Denton McLaughlim I had the same thought as you. But found out that in the reg regarding joint awards (DoDM 1348.33-V4, March 29, 2018) that we only qualify if we were a part of the joint task force and not attached or in support of. It's shitty but it is what it is.

c. Unless otherwise stated, only Service members assigned to a joint duty activity (JDA) or joint task force (JTF) headquarters, or performing duties related to joint matters in accordance with Section 668 of Title 10, United States Code (U.S.C.), are eligible for the DoD Joint
decorations and awards listed in Table 1.

(1) For JTF headquarters, DoD Joint PMD eligibility is limited to the JTF commander,
members of the JTF commander’s staff, and members assigned or attached to the JTF headquarters as individuals (not as members of a Service unit).

(2) Individual mobilization augmentees assigned to a JDA or JTF headquarters are
eligible for DoD Joint PMDs.

(3) Service members on temporary orders to a JDA or JTF are eligible for DoD Joint
decorations for outstanding achievement. Such impact awards should be rare and only awarded for truly outstanding achievement.

(4) Service members permanently assigned to staff or faculty positions of joint-Service schools are eligible for DoD Joint PMDs; students of such schools are not.

(5) Members of the armed forces of friendly foreign nations assigned or attached to a JDA or JTFs are eligible for the DMSM, JSCM, and JSAM. See Section 9 of this issuance for further guidance on awards to members of foreign militaries. See DoDI 1348.33 for further guidance on awards to members of foreign militaries.

(6) Being under the operational control of a JDA or JTF does not constitute eligibility for a DoD Joint PMD or the JMUA.

(7) Members of military-specific units (i.e., Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force)
assigned or attached to a JDA or JTF are not eligible for DoD Joint PMDs or the JMUA, but retain eligibility for PMDs and unit awards from their respective Military Service.
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SPC Denton McLaughlim
SPC Denton McLaughlim
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SSG(P) (Join to see) it is what it is. Found it typical of what could be called Army logic.
Over a year with working at the "Joint Task Force" JTF GTMO.
I was getting out and quite honestly, don't really care about getting this award or that.
I just enjoy the irony of working JTF over a year, working with Mavy personnel on a daily basis, and not getting a joint service ribbon.
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SPC Denton McLaughlim
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SPC Denton McLaughlim *Navy sorry Navy ;)
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1SG Claims Assistant
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Without digging out all of the references I had to use - and this is somewhat convoluted - the short answer is your S-1 is correct and you should not have been credited with a short tour.
Afghanistan has a "non-standard" tour length (so does Iraq), and as such a short tour is defined as 9 months consecutively served, or 11 months non-consecutive. The latter is more for air crews, but might apply to other logistics personnel who find themselves in and out of the country.
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SGT 94 E Radio Comsec Repairer
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Thanks, 1SG!
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SFC Fire Support Specialist
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8 months and 15 days is the magic number for the ribbon. 3 our of my 6 deployments I did not qualify being just shy of that number. SFC P
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CPL Timothy Dixon
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Things have changed since 1972 Nam, To all you men please always take care. We have got your back. Rest easy
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CPL Timothy Dixon
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Take care
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SGM Matthew Quick
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It appears you do not qualify...

Q3: How long do I have to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan to be awarded the OSR?

A3: IAW AR 614-30, Soldiers who serve a minimum of 11 cumulative months (within a 24 month period) or 9 continuous months in a TCS/TDY status may receive overseas tour credit for a completed short tour.

https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR
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SSG Rick Burton
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I know that. I’m sorry I didn’t have time to type all that out at the moment I wrote IG, because of all the people who said there was no chance it was over and done.
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MSG Chief Instructor
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Ok. Thanks for the clarification.
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SFC Michael Allday
SFC Michael Allday
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SSGBURTON, If you don't have time to type all your information that you want read then don't just type what you put and leave it. Its irresponsible and leaves you open for criticism. Think of your actions before you go forward.
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CPT Company Commander
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Agreed - I was in the same boat simply by our flights coming back being more efficient than planned. I think it would be worthwhile to contact your previous S1 to see if there was any paperwork submitted as an exemption to policy. Typically if the tour is ended early you get credited for its completion.
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