Posted on Aug 18, 2018
My wife, who is also Army, is pregnant. What are our options?
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My wife and I just recently found out the great news however we aren't a co-located military couple, she is at Carson and I'm at Riley. I've looked through so many damn regulations and military as well as nonmilitary websites looking for a solution, thought I'd ask around.
The real goal is to get her to Riley, however she hasn't completed her TOS at Carson so we can't file for joint domicile through MACP.
She thinks there's no way the Army could just screw two soldiers at once like this, I say mission takes priority for the Army.
Does anyone have/know of any exception to policies or waivers I might have missed?
Ref: AR 614-200 (Enlisted Assignments and Utilization Management)
EDIT/UPDATE:
Called HRC both of our branch managers said there's no exception to policy and we need to wait the full TOS, so I guess pregnant wife in the barracks is the solution to this. Or administrative separation.
The real goal is to get her to Riley, however she hasn't completed her TOS at Carson so we can't file for joint domicile through MACP.
She thinks there's no way the Army could just screw two soldiers at once like this, I say mission takes priority for the Army.
Does anyone have/know of any exception to policies or waivers I might have missed?
Ref: AR 614-200 (Enlisted Assignments and Utilization Management)
EDIT/UPDATE:
Called HRC both of our branch managers said there's no exception to policy and we need to wait the full TOS, so I guess pregnant wife in the barracks is the solution to this. Or administrative separation.
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The Army didn't screw you by getting your wife pregnant, you two failed to take reasonable precautions to prevent that from happening, given your circumstances. Your spouse will need a Family Care Plan from when the baby is born till you two are colocated or else she runs the risk of being administratively separated.
As for joint domecile, file your MACP and work with your branch managers to see how much time they will be able to get waived. It's not unusual for them to be able to waive TOS down to 2 years for MACP.
As for joint domecile, file your MACP and work with your branch managers to see how much time they will be able to get waived. It's not unusual for them to be able to waive TOS down to 2 years for MACP.
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SFC, it was a simple comment nothing more. Dual military couples have just as much right to start a family. Thank you for your advice, we will look into our family care plan options.
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You absolutely do have every right. But when your line of thinking is that you're both getting screwed, you poison the well and spread that thinking into the squad around you. Becoming parents has second and third order effects that need to be considered. Your comment basically says that you two failed to plan and the Army is screwing both of you by not breaking its movement rules which were in place prior to the two of you getting married.
I sincerely hope you're able to be with your family soon, though. File your MACP and work with your assignment managers sooner than later.
I sincerely hope you're able to be with your family soon, though. File your MACP and work with your assignment managers sooner than later.
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What reasonable precautions they failed to take to prevent this from happening? You are very insensitive and out of place. It's their right and I have never seen any regulation to support you. Thanks God you are not in a position to determine soldiers futures.
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SGT (Join to see) the reasonable precaution is birth control and risking pregnancy while they were located away from each other.
My job is not to be "sensitive" to their needs, it's to provide real advice with candor. His statement was that HRC screwed him, HRC did not apply any new rules to him. Those were the rules in place before his spouse got pregnant. His request was for policy information. My job is to tell him what that policy is, not to tell him what he wants to hear. As you can see from his update, the information I provided was correct.
Rughts come with responsibilities. It's their right to have a baby, and their responsibility to work within the current framework of policy.
I would say that your remarks are out of place. You placed your feelings at the center of the situation and then personally attacked me. I have helped hundreds of Soldiers and families out of tough situations, and yes I'm in a position where I have strong influence on Soldiers futures. Before you attack me, feel free to look over my posts to see who I've helped in this forum alone.
My job is not to be "sensitive" to their needs, it's to provide real advice with candor. His statement was that HRC screwed him, HRC did not apply any new rules to him. Those were the rules in place before his spouse got pregnant. His request was for policy information. My job is to tell him what that policy is, not to tell him what he wants to hear. As you can see from his update, the information I provided was correct.
Rughts come with responsibilities. It's their right to have a baby, and their responsibility to work within the current framework of policy.
I would say that your remarks are out of place. You placed your feelings at the center of the situation and then personally attacked me. I have helped hundreds of Soldiers and families out of tough situations, and yes I'm in a position where I have strong influence on Soldiers futures. Before you attack me, feel free to look over my posts to see who I've helped in this forum alone.
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SGT Kent, fist of all, congratulations on your baby. You and your wife can enroll on the MACP program at any time. The unit S1 can help you with all the necessary paperwork. I am going to assume that by the time you both got married, you were not in the same location or one of you had PCS orders to move. In order to be together again, at least one of you will have to be at your current location for 12 months, and be in your Reenlistment window (within 15 months from ETS), at which point you need to see your BN Career Counselor to start the process. Keep in mind that the main goal for you two is to get back together. The Army trys to keep couples together, but service members need to be flexible about where they can go. It is very different trying to relocate a single Soldier vs a military couple.
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Have either of you contacted you Branch managers to see what is available. As for screwing you, you did that already by being a dual couple, not signing up of MACP and now expecting.
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SGM, As much as mission takes priority, family is still important. As i stated, signing up for the MACP program isn't the issue, the TOS requirement is, SGM.
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MAJ Javier Rivera
A few words of advised from someone who did the Army thing for a few days (27 yrs to be exactly):
1. MACP should’ve been done immediately after getting married. Or a biggie but could potentially saved you this headache.
2. Family always comes first. Let me repeat this so I can make myself clear. FAMILY ALWAYS COMES FIRST! Hence the reason great Soldiers have to make important choices in their lives regarding their careers.
Remember, soon or later you will leave the service; your family in the other hand is forever. Take really good care of it!
1. MACP should’ve been done immediately after getting married. Or a biggie but could potentially saved you this headache.
2. Family always comes first. Let me repeat this so I can make myself clear. FAMILY ALWAYS COMES FIRST! Hence the reason great Soldiers have to make important choices in their lives regarding their careers.
Remember, soon or later you will leave the service; your family in the other hand is forever. Take really good care of it!
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MAJ Javier Rivera - Sir, as per AR 614-200 section III, enrolling in MACP would not help our situation as she has not met her Time on Station requirements for her to get a compassionate reassignment.
Thank you for the second bullet, I completely agree that family takes priority, hopefully something can be done to ease this headache!
Thank you for the second bullet, I completely agree that family takes priority, hopefully something can be done to ease this headache!
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