Posted on Jun 25, 2015
Nationwide witch hunt continues as petition seeks to remove Stone Mountain carving.
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I thought I saw it all with the change to the "General Lee." Now it seems that confederate monuments throughout the South are under attack. The latest is a petition to remove the carving of the three Confederate generals from Stone Mountain. Will it ever end? Surely this single tragic event in Charleston hasn't fueled this witch hunt. I wonder what made it grow to this point, where images and monuments long left alone are suddenly under attack. I was born in Detroit but live in the South. You can't erase history. People of all colors and nationalities visit Stone Mountain by the millions. Why this and why now?
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Posted 9 y ago
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What has fueled this "Witch Hunt"? Unbridled and unchallenged PC media. they are preaching hatred and calling the USA a white supremest country and no one is telling them they are wrong. Other than maybe FOX but we all know they don't count. Yes they have actually said this on national news, and it's being repeated all over the internet and anyone who disagrees is a racist. I cannot remember the country this torn apart on a day to day basis since the week DR King was murdered. And even that was more a handful of hatred than a movement like I see today. I'm sorry, yes there is racism in the USA, as there is in all societies, but it is not as rampant as they (The left wing newscasters) are trying to make it.
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We can take the Confederate Flag out of all of our states' flags, from the General Lee, and Walmart. But, we cannot erase history. We don't necessarily have to like it (our history, that is). But, it's important to acknowledge it. Stone Mountain does this: It's a beautiful piece of masonry, artisanship, and ... yes ... heritage. Whether you're a Rebel or a Yankee, the men depicted were Americans. What's next? the Honorable Mr. Washington at Mt. Rushmore?!
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At West Point, I am told, there is a memorial to the leg that Benedict Arnold sacrificed to "the cause" before becoming a traitor to it. Virtually every military leader of the Confederacy fought honorably in service to the union prior to the rebellion. Can we not honor them similarly?
The flag is an entirely different matter. It was born of the rebellion and served one purpose only. That purpose carried no honor and should be relegated to museums just as we relegate Nazi symbols to the ash heap of defeat.
The flag is an entirely different matter. It was born of the rebellion and served one purpose only. That purpose carried no honor and should be relegated to museums just as we relegate Nazi symbols to the ash heap of defeat.
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While i have a problem with the confed flag, I think renaming bases, taking down statues and monuments is ridiculous, some of them were amazing people on the wrong side of history.
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COL Ted Mc
SPC (Join to see) - Spec; "Lies My Teachers Told Me" is an interesting book.
Here's a link to a link to the introduction which will give you a bit of insight into why it was written.
http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/liesmyteachertoldme.php
You might find the bit surrounding " ... College teachers in most disciplines are happy when their students have had more rather than less exposure to the subject before they reach college. Not in history. History professors in college routinely put down high school history courses. A colleague of mine calls his survey of American history "Iconoclasm I and II," because he sees his job as disabusing his charges of what they learned in high school. In no other field does this happen. Mathematics professors, for instance, know that non-Euclidean geometry is rarely taught in high school, but they don't assume that Euclidean geometry was mistaught. English literature courses don't presume that "Romeo and Juliet" was misunderstood in high school. Indeed, a later chapter will show that history is the only field in which the more courses students take, the stupider they become. ..." interesting.
PS - Reinterpreting "history" in the light of previously unavailable (and frequently deliberately suppressed) evidence is no more "revisionist" than re-diagnosing that "sore arm" as a "broken arm" once the X-Rays become available. REAL "revisionist history" involves reinterpreting "history" after the deliberate deletion of previously known facts (and a denial that those facts ever did exist) and/or the insertion of completely spurious "facts" designed to buttress the philosophy of "What happened is what we want to have happened and we will tell you if you are now wrong to believe what we used to tell you was true." {ref. "Minitru"}.
PPS - You might find the Wikipedia article on "Ministries of Nineteen Eighty-Four" thought provoking. Please note that I only say that the article might stir some brain cells NOT that it is accurate or even applicable - that would be up to you to decide after you have read it and compared the summary of what Orwell wrote. [You might want to actually read the book to see if the summary is accurate.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four
Here's a link to a link to the introduction which will give you a bit of insight into why it was written.
http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/liesmyteachertoldme.php
You might find the bit surrounding " ... College teachers in most disciplines are happy when their students have had more rather than less exposure to the subject before they reach college. Not in history. History professors in college routinely put down high school history courses. A colleague of mine calls his survey of American history "Iconoclasm I and II," because he sees his job as disabusing his charges of what they learned in high school. In no other field does this happen. Mathematics professors, for instance, know that non-Euclidean geometry is rarely taught in high school, but they don't assume that Euclidean geometry was mistaught. English literature courses don't presume that "Romeo and Juliet" was misunderstood in high school. Indeed, a later chapter will show that history is the only field in which the more courses students take, the stupider they become. ..." interesting.
PS - Reinterpreting "history" in the light of previously unavailable (and frequently deliberately suppressed) evidence is no more "revisionist" than re-diagnosing that "sore arm" as a "broken arm" once the X-Rays become available. REAL "revisionist history" involves reinterpreting "history" after the deliberate deletion of previously known facts (and a denial that those facts ever did exist) and/or the insertion of completely spurious "facts" designed to buttress the philosophy of "What happened is what we want to have happened and we will tell you if you are now wrong to believe what we used to tell you was true." {ref. "Minitru"}.
PPS - You might find the Wikipedia article on "Ministries of Nineteen Eighty-Four" thought provoking. Please note that I only say that the article might stir some brain cells NOT that it is accurate or even applicable - that would be up to you to decide after you have read it and compared the summary of what Orwell wrote. [You might want to actually read the book to see if the summary is accurate.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four
Lies Across America by James W. Loewen
The homepage of Dr. James W. Loewen, author of Lies My Teacher Told Me, Lies Across America, and Sundown Towns.
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This has gone beyond any rational thought and is happening everywhere. This article details what is happening in Maryland ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/as-opposition-to-confederate-flag-grows-mds-gov-hogan-joins-in/2015/06/23/92c3179c-1a0e-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html?hpid=z4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/as-opposition-to-confederate-flag-grows-mds-gov-hogan-joins-in/2015/06/23/92c3179c-1a0e-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html?hpid=z4
In Maryland, debate over Confederate license plates, controversial symbols
Top state officials express reluctance to consider removing a statue and stadium name that some consider racist.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Interesting in that Maryland was created as a refuge from Catholic persecution in England
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COL Ted Mc
GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad - Gunny; The "obvious" solution is to simply remove all reminders of slavery and/or slave ownership and totally expunge all reference to anything surrounding slavery and/or slave ownership and completely eliminate any knowledge of anything which any slave owner ever did or said.
Of course, that might mean that there would have to be a few "inconsequential" changes to the Constitution of the United States of America and the re-naming of one or two geographic features in America BUT that would be a minimal price to pay for the opportunity to stand up and proudly proclaim "America - the only country in the world that has never started a war or invaded another country and which has never lost a war that some other country started - has never condoned slavery in any way, shape, or manner and no slave owner has ever been allowed to live in the United States of America after the expulsion of the foreigners who invaded the only true republic that the world has ever known (back in 1776) so that they could impose an Islamic, Socialist, Monarchy on the people who had lived in America from time immemorial."
Of course, that might mean that there would have to be a few "inconsequential" changes to the Constitution of the United States of America and the re-naming of one or two geographic features in America BUT that would be a minimal price to pay for the opportunity to stand up and proudly proclaim "America - the only country in the world that has never started a war or invaded another country and which has never lost a war that some other country started - has never condoned slavery in any way, shape, or manner and no slave owner has ever been allowed to live in the United States of America after the expulsion of the foreigners who invaded the only true republic that the world has ever known (back in 1776) so that they could impose an Islamic, Socialist, Monarchy on the people who had lived in America from time immemorial."
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I honestly feel that the current POTUS has set the standard for today's society and not all change is good change. I am a proud Texan and proud of the southern heritage. Only, people forget the honor of it all and are worried about their own agendas. I'm also Hispanic and I don't think of "racism" every time I see a confederate flag, I think of southern pride. People just need to stop feeling sorry for themselves. I get it, your sensitive, leave me out of your problems.
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I think that the term activist that these people use is giving these people a false sense of security or victory. The constant undermining of heritage, and history that some people do not agree with is just wrong. The confederate flag, and monuments that are numerous around the southern states should be left alone as it is a part of history. The thought that this particular monument or even the conferate flag is some kind of symbol for hate is just people that do not understand history at all, and are not so well informed. I am not a racist person because I study history and actually read books, or collect certain items of historical value, or visit sites that reflect historical signifigance. The fact is Slavery was put in place well before the Confederate Flag every came to be eveidently does not matter to these so called activists that seek to remove history. I have to say that when you remove history, and memories that it creates you are doomed to repeat mistakes of the past. I also have read a lot of these posts on here and I have to agree that this seems very extreme to me, much like when the taliban blew historical sites up in Afghanistan, this was nothing more than surpression of people, which as I see is a form of slavery in itself. Supression by political duress, and activists usually turns into ok lets take something else out of context and see how far we can go. Lets see what else we can take from the people. Lets start with flags, then move on firearms, and monuments, and reduce the American Ideal to nothing. If you speak out against this kind of action I see alot of people being called names, why cant people just live life, be happy and once in awhile if you get offended by something well say thats offensive, but ok take a higher position in life and learn not to be so selfish as to take away from the people for others actions. Mass Punishment does not work, it actually creates resentment and turmoil that persists in the mind. If you attack peoples heritage and symbols they do not take it lightly and they do not forget. Im from Indiana, so these symbols mean nothing to me personally, but the idea that they may be taken from history, erased, or destroyed is actually a horrible thought, and actually very insulting and disturbing to think that activists have so much power.
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This is sooo stupid it hurts! So they take down the flags. What is next erasing history. So street signs, school/Gov't building names, National Parks, monuments and wait they forgot one. The MASON DIXON LINE!!! I will grab an eraser and start who is with me? Get over it. Go to other countries where racism and freedoms are under attack everyday.. Go to Irag/Afghan were your religion is under attack and it does not matter if the religion is the same, but your from a different sec. Go to Germany were if you are not quiet on any religion or politics your are removed from the state. Go to Africa were you are killed on the wrong ideology. RACISM is real and has been since the time of GOD. Remember the Romans killed GOD! HELLO wake up! Learn from history and not destroy it.
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