Posted on Apr 16, 2022
Can I appeal my Navy N3M waiver denial with new supporting documents?
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Navy N3M waiver denied for RE-3G JFV a year ago, if I have new supporting documentation can I attempt to appeal if i choose to go to a recruiter again? I've been told no, but I've read that's a personal choice for the recruiter. They told me that Navy doesn't fight Navy. With Genesis I feel like it would be additional supporting proof as well that I am cleared of an acute" Adjustment Disorder." It has been a total of 3 years.
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I would say that you can certainly try. However, I caution you to realize you will more than likely be told no again. The Navy already rejected a waiver once, it will more than likely do it again. You're looking at 2 waivers. One for the RE Code and one for the JFV. That's two waivers you're going to need. Again, you can try. Just don't get your hopes up.
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If your waiver was denied by the navy, it’s because your condition did not meet the standards set forth in DoDI 6130.03 and you had more than a single occurrence of the adjustment disorder. Behavioral health conditions are normally never waived given their complexity as well as the likelihood of recurrence
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PFC (Join to see) in the Navy's defense they did discharge me and then I submitted my waiver with the wrong intent trying to "fight it" as a "misdiagnosis" rather than doing the right thing and getting the therapy and having a therapist explain it as acute. I think that's why the navy didn't fight navy. Of course they're not going to say "our psychologist is wrong." Just food for thought on it.
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SSG (Join to see) one more question, why do you think it's 3 times more likely to deny a waiver?
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Because the army deals with more severe stressors compared to the Navy. We lose too many soldiers to suicide caused by BH conditions, hence, the Army’s unwillingness to accept anyone who has a history of a BH condition PFC (Join to see)
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SSG (Join to see) - Thanks for the info on it, I will 100% say that I've seen people attempt suicide even at Navy RTC and I'm not keen on people endangering themselves like that. You're right about the complexity behind BH. Most conditions are exaggerated with service. Thanks again for info!
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You can always appeal, it is the likelihood you should not get exited about. As for recruiters thier obligation to meet quota is how the select recruits to place in the military. By quota, it is a numbers game, if your case is challenging and requires a great deal of time to support, then the recruiter will select recruits with a greater chance of success in acceptance.
If your local recruiter is too busy seek about another. Again, waivers and appeals are not often supported based on other qualified applicants. Good luck.
If your local recruiter is too busy seek about another. Again, waivers and appeals are not often supported based on other qualified applicants. Good luck.
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Contact one of these three gentlemen... they are very knowledgeable in Military related questions/issues.
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You'll have to go to your nearest recruiting station and ask - but it seems like you were already given the answer when you said "they told me the Navy doesn't fight the Navy." Who is "they?"
Can a denied waiver be appealed though?
Can a denied waiver be appealed though?
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Waiver for RE-3G, waiver for JFV and a waiver for enlistment. Genesis system is going to add additional time to the process. You would be better served to try National Guard, and Lat to another branch. I know this sounds extensive, but right now with draw down of forces it would be your best bet. A lot of Navy, Army, Marine Corps, and Air Force recruiters won't help you right now. Genesis messed up a lot of the process and the quotas are not modified accordingly.
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SSgt Mathew Cummings - I have read something similar as well sir, I am not sure how they are going to adapt and overcome such short comings in enlistment standards.The delays are beyond understandable and I appreciate your input. I am hoping the need for bodies will help my waiver be re-considered. However, I am still going to try the Army instead, I am more interested in not being on a ship at this time. I am not sure which branch will provide the best odds for a MH waiver, however. I am here for the needs of the service and not dedicated to the branch per say, that can come later on.
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SSgt Mathew Cummings
PFC (Join to see) I don't know what state you're in, but I think your best bet is to try the guard and move to active duty Army. If life were easy, we would live forever and be incredibly boring. Wish I had more answers for you. I contacted my buddy that's on Recruiting duty now, he advised the same.
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SSgt Mathew Cummings thank you for the information. I've been working with an AD Army recruiter for a few months and she seems confident. Should I just see what happens first then try NG?
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SSgt Mathew Cummings
PFC (Join to see) You can do whichever you like. Granted, I do not know all the specifics. If you have a Active duty Recruiter that is taking the time to do everything right at this time, keep working on it. I don't think talking to a Guard recruiter would hurt, just don't sign any paperwork with them while the Active side is working with you.
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There are already some good answers on this subject. I was never in the Navy, but did 3 years in Army Recruiting Command a LONG time ago. My experience was that command wanted recruiters to work on fully qualified applicants first, then on those who had realistically waiverable problems. Also, messages came out frequently about various alterations or guidance. Anyone who is not currently in Recruiting Command would not have the most up to date information. So gather your information including all the regulations you can find, and have a talk with the recruiting station commander. Meanwhile here is a releavant website from Navy Recruiting Command which may be helpful
https://www.cnrc.navy.mil/news-stories-jf2016/waivers.html
https://www.cnrc.navy.mil/news-stories-jf2016/waivers.html
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I completely and there are big changes happening in recruiting currently. Thank you very much for taking the time to find that website for me. That image is very helpful. I really appreciate the help and support.
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You can resubmit if you have new documentation but it will be an uphill battle. With this being multiple issues to include mental health your paperwork needs to be ironclad. You need to put yourself in their shoes. They are pretty strict when it comes to waivers for BH issues. The risk is high for pre-existing issues to come back up under the stress of entry level training.
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I will need some time to think of my next move. Genesis in my case will only strengthen my odds since I have no issues ever. It was basically like this: I couldn't hear for 3 weeks at RTC, I begged for medical hold over and I had ruptured my ear drum with a double inner ear infection. Medical officer wouldn't give me it and so I played pretend and went to REU like a desperate idiot. I told them I was unable to train and my ear pain and dizziness was too much. I did get overwhelmed by it. That's basically it. Some in my division was starting to get physically violent with me because I couldn't hear, I tried to get help a bunch of times. I tried to get "recycled."
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
PFC (Join to see) - From your other posts I see it isn't just the ear issue though. That's one issue in addition to the adjustment issue which is an additional waiver. Stacking waivers is tricky and in of itself a red flag. With the updated ENT paperwork you have a case for re-submittal but did the previous denial mention anything about mental health or the adjustment order? Or was the denial solely on the ear issue? Looking closely at their first response will help you build a case and an angle.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy I appreciate your reply sir, they did not give input other than being told "Navy won't fight Navy." I'm assuming because I didn't seek therapy for it and tried to disprove it as a misdiagnosis. Which I not realize seems in poor taste and not a good military attitude. Makes sense to me entirely. I had a bad ENT report that mentioned seasonal allergies. So, my waiver is based on what happened during RTC, the ear stuff and then the adjustment disorder with anxiety discharge. It doesn't say anything radical in my medical paperwork and I wasn't given a chance to "overcome it." I tell the entire truth that I've never had any BH issues prior or post. So that's the story, more-or-less. I think the solution focused based therapy I did and my psych stating it's acute solely and how to cope blah blah is what was missing and a good ENT report. Let me know if you have an ideas.
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