Posted on Mar 5, 2015
NCOER after article 15; What are my obligations and options?
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Hi, all. I had a career first last night; One of my subordinate NCOs got a field grade article 15 for inappropriate relationship with a subordinate. He is reduced in rank to E5, and has 11 years in service. There will be no GOMR. I want to rehabilitate this Soldier, but in this age of drawdown, I don't know if that's possible.
So here is my question, since I am in uncharted territory. What am I obligated to include in his next NCOER? It's more than 180 days out, if that makes a difference. There will be the glaringly obvious difference in rank from his last eval to his current one. Is it an automatic Needs Improvement? Is it a NO for one or more of the Army Values? I could do these things very easily, but am I required to?
I'm angry with him, but I also want to help him climb out of the hole he dug himself into. I remember a time when an NCO could bounce back from UCMJ action. Now, in the age of drawdown, I don't know if I have time to help him redeem himself. With a field grade article 15 and a bad NCOER, he would have little chance of surviving the next QMP board. I appreciate and look forward to your counsel.
So here is my question, since I am in uncharted territory. What am I obligated to include in his next NCOER? It's more than 180 days out, if that makes a difference. There will be the glaringly obvious difference in rank from his last eval to his current one. Is it an automatic Needs Improvement? Is it a NO for one or more of the Army Values? I could do these things very easily, but am I required to?
I'm angry with him, but I also want to help him climb out of the hole he dug himself into. I remember a time when an NCO could bounce back from UCMJ action. Now, in the age of drawdown, I don't know if I have time to help him redeem himself. With a field grade article 15 and a bad NCOER, he would have little chance of surviving the next QMP board. I appreciate and look forward to your counsel.
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Posted 11 y ago
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He has to have a RFC NCOER, Just rate him like you would any other person from the end of RFC NCOER date on out. If there isn't a RFC NCOER just rate him as you would any other E5 depending on how he performs.
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All I can say is I'm glad I'm not in the situation you're in, because that is a difficult choice to make. I would say that the punishment for their actions has already imposed, so there is no need to be overtly aggressive in the NCOER. I would note it in the Army Values section in a factual way without any fluff, probably with regards to Integrity.
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So I take it this was a dating relationship with a junior enlisted, and she was under his supervision?
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CW3 (Join to see)
So now that the UCMJ punishment has been imposed, has the relationship stopped? I'm sympathetic, because the heart wants what it wants....but this is classic don't do it territory.
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SFC Josh Jackson
I think the relationship is over. But then again, I thought it didn't exist until I saw the evidence. The packet compiled by the IO was pretty damning.
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