Posted on Mar 3, 2023
Once the date has come due for an annual NCOER, can you go back and make it a COR NCOER?
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Question, and I did try and research it in DA Pam 623-3, but once the annual date of 31Jan23 has come due for an annual NCOER, can you even go back and generate and make it a COR. I was thinking that you can do a COR at any time during the rating period but once it passes the annual due date, it’s either an annual or extended annual, etc. Backstory is I had an NCO that Pcsd and came to my section and I did an initial counseling on 01July, but I moved jobs 01Aug. I closed out every other NCO NCOER before I left but told my replacement this specific NCO doesn’t have the 90 days time for me to do a COR, and his annual isn’t due until 31Jan, which should be over 7 months working with them to do an annual. Know they reach out to me and it’s 01Mar with his NCOER now being 30 days late from 31Jan, asking if I’m doing a COR for him. Which doesn’t make sense as I only had 30 days working with him. I would think to take care of this NCO, that the new NCO should just do an annual. I believe they are looking for me to do a change of rater from his last NCOER of 01Feb-01Sep, with unrated time from his PCS and leave, and it will change his new date due to 01Sep. Thanks again.
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Listen, this is messy and a bit unclear. The right thing that should have been done is that the 1SG’s tracker should have caught this before it happened, and if not him then the S-1 NCOER tracker should have caught. You can’t change what has been done. In all fareness to the NCO you are all in the same unit, his NCOIC needs to do the annual with the travel time and be sone with it. Having said that the others in the rating chain need to concur before hand.
Anyway, if the NCO refuses then there is a process that isn’t good for the NCO’s rating continuity but it is what it is.
Everyone has faultvhere so just fix it or you all get a junior NCO off to a rocky start.
Anyway, if the NCO refuses then there is a process that isn’t good for the NCO’s rating continuity but it is what it is.
Everyone has faultvhere so just fix it or you all get a junior NCO off to a rocky start.
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Appreciate it. The only issue is I already left the unit, and under a different UIC. But at the end it’s whatever it takes to take care of this young NCO.
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Update. I’m order to stop this craziness, I just submitted a COR through the end date when I left the unit 01Sep22, even though it’s almost 7 months ago and his annual was due 01Feb23. At the end of it all it’s taking care of soldiers. Thanks all.
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I was watching this one. You did the right thing. I have seen NCOs PCS and never have signed. Some units just don't a very good job at this.
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SFC Johnson,
It's good to hear this was resolved.
In the future you can provide a Letter of Continuity to the Soldier’s current supervisor/rater to help with identifying any performance gaps and a way to record the Soldier's performance and achievements since the last NCOER and/or rating period or when it isn't possible to do so in an NCOER.
It's good to hear this was resolved.
In the future you can provide a Letter of Continuity to the Soldier’s current supervisor/rater to help with identifying any performance gaps and a way to record the Soldier's performance and achievements since the last NCOER and/or rating period or when it isn't possible to do so in an NCOER.
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This is very unclear, and I can barely follow the conveyed facts. So please answer these questions so we can get the bottom line info.
1. Was the thru date of the previous eval 31 Jan 2022?
2. If the previous thru date was correct, who was the rater between 1 Feb 2022 and 1 July 2022, and why did they not complete a CoR?
3. What were the dates of non-rated time, I.E. NCOES, long TDY, and long periods of leave?
4. If you were only the rater for 30 days, there should have been a CoR for the period 1 Feb 2022 thru 30 Jun 2022. When you left, that non-rated time would be tacked on the front end of his next eval, possibly with a thru date of around Aug 2023. I can't give you exact dates without the precise dates of this story.
Extended annuals have time on the front end, not the back. This is to cover situations like this. In AR 623-3 page 66 (74 of the PDF) shows a great visual example of an extended annual. I do not see how this Soldier was due an eval in Jan 2023 with the information provided unless there was another CoR. This was an absolute mess that could have been avoided. Unfortunately the Soldier is the one who is hurt here.
1. Was the thru date of the previous eval 31 Jan 2022?
2. If the previous thru date was correct, who was the rater between 1 Feb 2022 and 1 July 2022, and why did they not complete a CoR?
3. What were the dates of non-rated time, I.E. NCOES, long TDY, and long periods of leave?
4. If you were only the rater for 30 days, there should have been a CoR for the period 1 Feb 2022 thru 30 Jun 2022. When you left, that non-rated time would be tacked on the front end of his next eval, possibly with a thru date of around Aug 2023. I can't give you exact dates without the precise dates of this story.
Extended annuals have time on the front end, not the back. This is to cover situations like this. In AR 623-3 page 66 (74 of the PDF) shows a great visual example of an extended annual. I do not see how this Soldier was due an eval in Jan 2023 with the information provided unless there was another CoR. This was an absolute mess that could have been avoided. Unfortunately the Soldier is the one who is hurt here.
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