Posted on Aug 11, 2014
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How many of you have seen Officers and NCOs PCS without their evaluation. This goes back to Counseling. If Counseling is done correctly then writing his/her evaluation should not be a problem. What do you think.
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Evaluations are not due to HRC until 90 days after the thru date of the report. Report thru dates are sometimes the day the Soldier leaves the unit; sometimes the thru date is the date of report to the new unit; sometimes the thru date is something else. If we want folks to PCS with their evaluations, then we need to change the regulation to make the reports due to HRC by the day the Soldier departs the previous post. But the reason the reports aren't due to HRC until 90 days after the thru date is so that they can be written AFTER the rating period so as to take into account all performance during the rating period. The current system completely subverts this process, with many units (and all the units I've served in) making reports due to the senior rater 30 or 60 or 90 days before the thru date. Thus, I don't believe that actually writing the evaluation is the issue; the issue is the process and the 90 days given by regulation to have the signed evaluation back to HRC.

I do agree, though, that if counseling is done correctly that writing an evaluation is simple. But how many units really do counseling at all? I'd assess that at the small unit level (say, company and below), unit leaders have a vested interest in conducted counselling correctly. That vested interest is that senior leaders make counselling a priority for these small units (and, most of the time, an inspectable item). But I'd also assess that, say, above the company level, counseling simply just isn't done, or if it is, at least isn't done correctly. Example: I've been a major since December 2009. That's 4.5 years. I've been counselled once (an initial counseling from a new rater); and even that was not done correctly. In my last operational unit as a captain and a company commander, it was expected that my unit would conduct counselling (and we tried our best), but I was never counselled by my senior rater and was counselled only about 3 times by my rater (initial counseling, OERs). I'd have to go back and look at what the regulation requires for counseling for periodic counseling for officers, but I'm guessing its more than once a year.
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Sir I do agree and understand the 90 days to HRC. Some SM go on leave for about 45 days before they get to their unit and still no NCOER. I have a nco who came to my battery in DEC 2013 from another organization in Germany, and the NCO never received a NCOER from a previous duty station Feb 2012 -Feb 2013. I just got the NCO NCOER straight. The NCO is now due a COR within my organization. It is just puzzling to me because the rating scheme has changed tremendously for the NCO. When my NCO finally received the NCOER, the NCO didn't recognize any of the personnel in the rating, and it was not what the NCO saw before the NCO PCS. Again thanks for the response sir.
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1SG: An E-7 recently departed my unit without an NCOER; its still being "processed" by our HQ. This E-7 is in the medical board process. He's currently stuck at the treatment facility he PCS'd to for evaluation, can't be moved on to further treatment / med board process until his NCOER is finalized. So he's sitting, not getting the med board process started (thankfully he can get treatment at the MTF he PCS'd to) because HQ won't push the NCOER through, because they have 90 days to get it to HRC. Its a problem throughout the Army, I'd imagine.
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This is important. When i was a SSG and left Korea, it took me over 7 months to get my NCOER to HRC. Luckily in 07, they were not tracking it much as an issue, but today's systems would red flag everyone involved.
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I've had to PCS before without my NCOER. I didn't like it one bit. You're right if the Officer/PSG are doing their jobs with the counseling, or even half way paying attention to what their troops are doing the evaluation pretty much writes itself.
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1SG, I know when I was doing NCOERs for my squad leader the biggest problem we had was when the BN S-1 would send it back for changes multipul time. It was like they didn't read the whole thing and as soon as they found something they thought need to be change they would send it back. Changes get made and re-submitted they would send it back to correct something else. Now we had to send a printed copy and one on a flash drive. If it was something as simple as a period, why couldn't they just put it in? But this would cause NCOERs to not be completed and ready for SM signiture prior to PCSing.
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