Posted on Sep 27, 2015
New Basic Training Requirements: Will It Really Be Harder?
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Army Times is reporting that there are upcoming changes beginning in FY02016.
“Those who repeatedly make the same mistakes, we’re going to discharge them," Woods said. "Those who meet the standards will graduate. Those who don’t meet the standards won’t. What this gives the force is assurance that the quality of what’s coming through [training] is there.”
Peer evaluations and a 16k timed ruck march are to be added. Are these changes going to be positive for the quality of the force? Will the standards be objectively upheld? Do you think you had it harder during basic training; why?
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/09/27/new-basic-training-more-tests-peer-evals-coming-oct-1/72753466/
“Those who repeatedly make the same mistakes, we’re going to discharge them," Woods said. "Those who meet the standards will graduate. Those who don’t meet the standards won’t. What this gives the force is assurance that the quality of what’s coming through [training] is there.”
Peer evaluations and a 16k timed ruck march are to be added. Are these changes going to be positive for the quality of the force? Will the standards be objectively upheld? Do you think you had it harder during basic training; why?
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/09/27/new-basic-training-more-tests-peer-evals-coming-oct-1/72753466/
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If they can't cut it? Get out! If there is some brat who can't keep up because he/she is too fat, lazy, spoiled, whiney or any combination of those...GET THE HELL OUT!!
This isn't some fancy boot camp. You are being trained to defend this country. So, in the words of my T. I. "Suck it up buttercup, if you can't handle it? I suggest youlearn how to flip burgers"
This isn't some fancy boot camp. You are being trained to defend this country. So, in the words of my T. I. "Suck it up buttercup, if you can't handle it? I suggest youlearn how to flip burgers"
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I have my doubts. I was a DS at Benning 2010-2012. The demand to "push them through to the force" was overwhelming. In that environment numbers meant good NCOERS/OERS. Regardless of how much of a waste of oxygen a private was there was a pressure from higher to give them chance after chance to graduate. I don't see why this would be any different
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I went through basic February of 2014. Honestly I felt like it was too easy, and wish it could've been harder. It's nice to see some changes come through.
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TRADOC's been promising that for years. Ain't happened yet. The latest about-face I know of came with the new APFT. It included a shuttle run, and a a couple other things that were more combat relevant. In typical TRADOC fashion, they figured not enough Privates would graduate, so they canned the idea. I'd be all in favor of a smaller Army if it meant better, more combat-ready Soldiers coming out of BCT. What's coming out is a smaller Army that's less physically fit than ever.
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I doubt it will be harder. It seems we are making things easier on the new trainees
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Crawl, walk, run. Basic training is the first step in a much longer course of physical training. Those relics (the back in my day crowd). Are a dime a dozen. Those that can take the long view in the total Soldier concept will have the best units.
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CSM (Join to see) I believe that basic training should be utilized as a training course and not as a selection tool, except in the most rudimentary sense. These new measures aren't likely to eliminate any but the most untrainable of soldiers. I also believe that a long view of soldier development is necessary, but are we currently setting benchmarks that really challenge soldiers?
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CPT (Join to see) - I agree with your point and see what you're saying, however, these troops aren't Soldiers yet. Civilians wearing the uniform; many of whom may not have ever walked more than the distance from their sofa to their car.
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Lol. Back in the day the minimum standard if I remember right were 3 whole pull-ups, 3 mile run under 28 minutes, and sit-ups. I could do that before boot, I bet most athletic HS kids can.
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Has anyone seen the specific time for the ruck march? 16k (9.94 miles) in "under 6 hours" is pretty vague unless it's 5:59 or less. The German Army gold standard is 7.46 miles in 2 hours or less (bronze is 3.75 miles in 1 hour) so I feel the "new standard" doesn't say much for the strength and endurance and intestinal fortitude we expect of our Soldiers.
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