Posted on Feb 8, 2014
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Why do I see more and more brand new Soldiers coming to the unit with an ungrateful attitude, talking shit to NCOs, disrespecting fellow Soldiers?  
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PFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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the reason is two fold. NCOs let it happen and some just don't earn the respect or they lose the respect. Respect for the man and respect for the rank are two different viewpoints. I came In at 27 and I have been a leader and seen leaders. What a lot of folks don't get is that if we're all adults you can't expect blind respect when you haven't earned it. Yes you got the rank buy in the same breath what have you done for this soldier to show them that you deserved it or lived up to it. Folks get promoted all the time and have no clue about their mos or how to actually lead. A class can never teach leadership it is a quality in man that is natural.
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SFC Instructor/Writer  Alc Cc/Ssd 2
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In my opinion, the lack of discipline is due to us the NCO are not enforcing the standards or afraid to enforce them. Discipline is a very important aspect in our profession. Without discipline we don't an Army. We as leader, need to step up and enforce the standards, simple as that. Some are afraid of the repercussions of being called a toxic leaders or afraid to get an IG complaint etc. The NCO Creed start with "No one is more professional than I". We need to be professionals when enforcing the standards. And like I stated before " if you want to find discipline, give discipline and you will find discipline". Soldiers do what we tell them to do, no the other way around.
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SPC James Mcneil
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I wish I could say this is a new thing, but it isn't. I have seen many new soldiers coming out of AIT with attitudes like they've got all the answers.
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This is a great topic and has been a hot topic. It is not just in the military but society in general. But as a whole the military has become much to "politically correct". A lot of leaders are afraid of their troops or afraid to correct their troops. A service member gets corrected for something and they get butt hurt so they file a complaint and get their buddies to file a complaint and now the Command Triad is getting relieved for a "poor command climate". There is the general sense of entitlement with the current generation, and it is truly a generational norm.
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I disagree with the fact the NCO's allow it to happen. I myself do my best to lead from the front, and expect nothing less than the standard from my soldiers. That being said, I have witnessed first hand junior enlisted completely disregarding what they have been told just out of pure spite. When their NCO was correcting them, a 1SG approached him and told him he was being unprofessional, and that he needed to put it on paper. The said NCO was not smoking his soldier, he was merely giving him a well deserved lecture on his infraction. At that point in time I realized more than ever that the power had been taken away from the NCO and given to the lower enlisted. When a NCO cannot verbally counsel his soldier or, for lack of better words, put the fear of God into them when the need arises, then something is dead wrong. Putting events on paper is not always the answer. Some soldiers respond to that, and will fix their mistake, but not all. Some soldier respond to more direct measures. Are we to negatively counsel them every time, and eventually chapter them out of the army, when we could of taken different measures that they would of reacted to, to help them develop more as a soldier? Something needs to give here, or else this army is in serious trouble.
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Counseling,
Counseling, Counseling! Usually, first verbal then written then UCMJ. I have witnessed the goodness in it. It holds
them accountable, either they fix themselves or process UCMJ and or
separation. Now, if you know a "Sergeant" (Not an NCO) who
whines about their Soldier's and is too lazy to counsel them, that
"Sergeant" needs counseling and mentorship.
Additionally, you will need the support of the Chain of Command to be
successful cleaning your organization. Believe me, when a Joker finds
out their G.I. Bill is at stake, they tend to clean up. Lot's of paperwork to get in the Army, lot's of paperwork to get out, no going around it.

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1SG Michael Blount
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SPC - rest assured I don't tolerate ANY kind of disrespect from my BCT/IET Soldiers toward me or my DS cadre.  The sad truth is some BCT/IET units don't care as long as they graduate the numbers command wants.  I pray every day that with all these drawdowns, the Army gets more selective in the caliber of personnel coming aboard. Usually that translates into more mature people entering Basic. Unfortunately, that does nothing for the infestation of trash we inherited and graduated for reasons cited earlier.  THAT problem gets rooted out, one incident at a time.  If I catch it (and I do, believe me), that Soldier is court martialed under every Article I can think of, plus a few that haven't been written yet.
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1SG,

 

Do you know a 1SG Macphail there at the DSS? He was my former Drill SGT.

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1SG Michael Blount
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SSG - I believe he is still there At least he was last time I attended a graduation ceremony back in SEP
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SGT Jorge Chacon
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I have heard from friends who are still in that this is a big issue. I don't know if there is an issue at the basic training/AIT stage or what. I know that when I was a young soldier, that sort of stuff was unheard of. It was instilled in me and I instilled it into my soldiers.
So are young troopers getting promoted at a fast rate? Have they not been given an opportunity to be put in a leadership role before pinning those SGT stripes on? I just hope that there are enough of us old soldiers who can snap these new soldiers back in line.
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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The issue is two fold. One Soldiers (Commissioned & Enlisted) who initially enter our Profession have not been trained enough to accept authority. There is a general lack of respect for authoritative figures in the United States. Some Soldiers want "big boy" rules like Special Ops but perform at children levels.

The second part in this dilemma is leadership. I talk to everyone with respect. I am usually easy going; however, if there is a line crossed (rarely) but it's corrected. Leadership must enforce standards, must align those individual goals into organizational goals. Finally, leaders must learn to stop operating at the bottom of the leadership pole "positional leadership." Leaders must understand rank is the last method of influence used to control your subordinates. A leader once explained this theory to me in the best way. Rank is like concealed weapons in a fight when it comes to conflicts with subordinates. if I out rank you I'm holding the gun and you have a knife. What are you going to do shoot them? How about explain to them, you may want to put the weapon down because it's not going to end well for you. You already hold the upper hand, no need to walk around with your chest poked out.

In summary, Soldiers must learn to be professional at all times. Leaders must use proper influence methods to correct undesirable behavior.
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SPC Christopher Smith
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I've said this in previous post, the D.o.D wants intelligent, and more capable people in the force. The problem is these type of people have a high sense of self pride, and low tolerance for inefficiency. These type of people do not like being micro managed, and have difficulties with unjustified trust. They have grown up thinking it is them vs. the world, and that is a hard ideal to break.

 

What many people are taking as disrespect is a knee jerk reaction to an enviroment that is filled with inefficiencies, and having to trust that others will do for you. When they feel as though you are not doing for them they want to do it for themselves.

 

Also, respect is earned not given, always remember people might have to follow you, but they don't have to respect you or your method, they just have to get things done. Mentoring, and explaining the process, allow people to explore their way of doing things, and teach them after they fail why they failed, so they understand why you have a certain method, but on the other hand be open to changing your method and rewarding them when they create a better system.

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