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To what extent should a Warrant Officer be making on the spot corrections? By that I mean at what point does the disconnect of "NCO business occur". Too often I hear the phrase "that's NCO business Chief" but I have an inability to simply walk past a deficiency, honestly believing in the cliche' that "if you walk past a violation of standard, you just created a new one". Perhaps it is just this station, but it feels like a daily battle here, I am not able to go to the shoppette or the gym without running into a soldier who doesn't have the slightest clue what the 600-5 is much less what's contained inside of it. I'm not on a power trip by any means, I would much rather the NCOs square away their soldiers, but again, at what point is the disconnect between general policing and "NCO business"? I have a lot of non prior enlisted aviators in my unit who don't understand the struggle and choose to just ignore deficiencies. Honestly, am I outside of my lane by policing up as I see it. For example, just today as I entered the shoppette, I spoke to a SSG who was smoking right next to the door, I politely asked him if he knew he was within 50ft of the entrance/exit of a building, he told me "I see everyone else doing it all the time". Is it just a Korea-ism I've failed to grasp?
Posted 12 y ago
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I'm with you CW3 (Join to see) , but I don't have enough time during the day to address every instance of Pilots walking while they use their phones, or standing and talking with their hands in their pockets.
Don't get me started with the chew I've had to clean off the floor of my Apaches.
I just like having a roof over my head too much so I try to make my corrections to Officers and WOs as few and far between as possible sir
GMA is where it's at though.
Don't get me started with the chew I've had to clean off the floor of my Apaches.
I just like having a roof over my head too much so I try to make my corrections to Officers and WOs as few and far between as possible sir
GMA is where it's at though.
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Chief,
Anything you see you can and (in my opinion) should correct. That correction can be through junior leaders, to junior leaders, or even (especially?) to seniors.
If we want the Army to be better, we need to be comfortable giving and receiving corrections.
As a former NCO, I'm still looking for the reg of "NCO lane" or "Officer Business"; it doesn't exist. I understand we divide our work with trust, but if a correction needs to be made, and I am there, I'll make it. I hope other Soldiers will do the same.
Anything you see you can and (in my opinion) should correct. That correction can be through junior leaders, to junior leaders, or even (especially?) to seniors.
If we want the Army to be better, we need to be comfortable giving and receiving corrections.
As a former NCO, I'm still looking for the reg of "NCO lane" or "Officer Business"; it doesn't exist. I understand we divide our work with trust, but if a correction needs to be made, and I am there, I'll make it. I hope other Soldiers will do the same.
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I totally agree with the following response, on-the-spot corrections are just on the spot by the person encountering or witnessing the violation. If an officer allows an enlisted solder to pass by with out salute, or greeting, if encumbered or would be a safety issue. It falls on the officer to correct,, if I as an NCO were to witness and the officer did not correct, I would correct the enlisted member unless he outranked me. If he did I would report the incident to the solder's commander. The same with the officer, I might ask for permission to speak, advise him/her of the violation. If they agreed to correct their action, done, if not report it to their senior officer.
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Being the most junior WO in the army I am learning how to deal with this myself. I've asked my senior WO what to do in these situations. She explained to me that as warrant officers we need to be approachable by all ranks, as advisors and technical experts, that is most important. It doesn't mean that you can't correct a policy violation, you just need to approach the Soldier as an advisor/mentor. Personally I will find the nearest NCO and explain the issue for him/her to correct. If there isn't an NCO around to enforce standards then I will address the Soldier in a tactful manner that encourages compliance. Most Soldiers respond to a helpful approach more so than being yelled at or degraded. I think overall that Soldier will respect you more for treating them as a professional.
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I agree with all the previous statements. If we are all not making the corrections we are all part of the problem. I hate to be the one to do this though chief, but what is 600-5? It isn't an Army regulation?
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
600-5 is a National Guard regulation. Not sure how it ties into on the spot corrections though.
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CW3 (Join to see)
600-5 is not an Army Regulation, it is the base by base policy regulation commonly referred to as "The Blue Book" but it is officially the installation 600-5.
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CW3 (Join to see)
For Camp Humphreys you fall under 2ID Pamphlet 600-5 http://www.2id.korea.army.mil/about/pdf/warrior-standards.pdf
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Cheif,
Now that you schooled me on what a 600-5 is I kind of understand why you are having an issue with Soldiers knowing and following the 600-5. It is because to many organizations have thier own "blue book". Like you just said to me I am at Camp humphreys but I do not fall under 2ID in any fasion. So the 2ID "blue book" does not apply to me. I have an 8th Army "blue book" that i am required to carry and follow. I will bet that some of the things in the 2ID "blue book" contradict the 8th Army "blue book". It makes really hard to follow a standard and correct Soldiers when everyone creates their own "blue books" where they add to and take away what they feel. It would be so much easier if the Army standard was THE WHOLE ARMY STANDARD. We wouldn't have this issue. it is hard to follow rules that you dont know exsist.
Now that you schooled me on what a 600-5 is I kind of understand why you are having an issue with Soldiers knowing and following the 600-5. It is because to many organizations have thier own "blue book". Like you just said to me I am at Camp humphreys but I do not fall under 2ID in any fasion. So the 2ID "blue book" does not apply to me. I have an 8th Army "blue book" that i am required to carry and follow. I will bet that some of the things in the 2ID "blue book" contradict the 8th Army "blue book". It makes really hard to follow a standard and correct Soldiers when everyone creates their own "blue books" where they add to and take away what they feel. It would be so much easier if the Army standard was THE WHOLE ARMY STANDARD. We wouldn't have this issue. it is hard to follow rules that you dont know exsist.
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