Posted on Jul 27, 2018
Once a soldier knowingly takes an APFT for Record, can it be removed?
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By reg, Traditional national guard soldiers are only required to take MINIMUM one APFT a year. My Battalion takes two for record, one every six months. No one knows where this policy came from or can find anything in writing stating we have to. It’s commanders discretion and this is the way it’s always been.
I have a soldier. Notorious for failing PT. Hasn’t passed for three years straight until I became the training NCO. I trained with him for five months and the day of his ETS (FEB 2018), he finally passes for record. Hallelujah!! He re enlists, finally gets pinned as an E-5. Well deserved.
Come May 2018, three months later- we have our unit record APFT. He KNOWINGLY takes it for record again. Fails. I input his data into the system and flag him for not passing.
He volunteers for ADOS, which in my BN is a privilege. You must be in good unit standing with no flagging actions to be placed on orders.
I tell him he can’t go on orders Bc he’s not passing. He said, “I spoke to the readiness NCO and she said the last APFT doesn’t count.” I go into the system and he’s not flagged anymore. Come to find out, the readiness NCO removes the flag and APFT completely. Reason being- he already took his one APFT in February so there’s no reason why he should have taken it in May. I find the hard copy of the 705- it shows his raw scores but doesn’t designate diagnostic or record AND is not signed by any NCOIC.
Who’s in the wrong here?
Yes- he didn’t have a 8 month gap between records but the only reason why he took two was Bc he knowingly took two. Feb was to stay in service (he was already three years with no passing score) and May was to get back in track with the unit.
i understand doing what’s best for the soldiers interest, but I feel as if my integrity is being compromised. He got pinned as an NCO and that’s not something I believe should be taken lightly. Need advice!
I have a soldier. Notorious for failing PT. Hasn’t passed for three years straight until I became the training NCO. I trained with him for five months and the day of his ETS (FEB 2018), he finally passes for record. Hallelujah!! He re enlists, finally gets pinned as an E-5. Well deserved.
Come May 2018, three months later- we have our unit record APFT. He KNOWINGLY takes it for record again. Fails. I input his data into the system and flag him for not passing.
He volunteers for ADOS, which in my BN is a privilege. You must be in good unit standing with no flagging actions to be placed on orders.
I tell him he can’t go on orders Bc he’s not passing. He said, “I spoke to the readiness NCO and she said the last APFT doesn’t count.” I go into the system and he’s not flagged anymore. Come to find out, the readiness NCO removes the flag and APFT completely. Reason being- he already took his one APFT in February so there’s no reason why he should have taken it in May. I find the hard copy of the 705- it shows his raw scores but doesn’t designate diagnostic or record AND is not signed by any NCOIC.
Who’s in the wrong here?
Yes- he didn’t have a 8 month gap between records but the only reason why he took two was Bc he knowingly took two. Feb was to stay in service (he was already three years with no passing score) and May was to get back in track with the unit.
i understand doing what’s best for the soldiers interest, but I feel as if my integrity is being compromised. He got pinned as an NCO and that’s not something I believe should be taken lightly. Need advice!
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"He KNOWINGLY takes it for record again. Fails. I input his data into the system and flag him for not passing."
" I find the hard copy of the 705- it shows his raw scores but doesn’t designate diagnostic or record AND is not signed by any NCOIC."
If its not recorded correctly on the 705, it never happened as far as an after action.
" I find the hard copy of the 705- it shows his raw scores but doesn’t designate diagnostic or record AND is not signed by any NCOIC."
If its not recorded correctly on the 705, it never happened as far as an after action.
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You have zero proof he took a record APFT. That's why it got removed. It's not annotated on the 705 as a record.
Is it shady? Yes. But you have to have paperwork to prove things. That's why they harp on counseling with us in AD. If you don't have the paper trail when you want to bring up UCMJ on someone, legal is going to kick it back.
Is it shady? Yes. But you have to have paperwork to prove things. That's why they harp on counseling with us in AD. If you don't have the paper trail when you want to bring up UCMJ on someone, legal is going to kick it back.
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A great way to lower morale and trust in a unit is to have a perception of not enforcing standards. I can almost guarantee that other Soldiers have seen the fact that this NCO has recently, and historically, failed the APFT and is now being considered for the privilege of ADOS. What kind of message does this send to all the Soldiers and NCOs that are putting in the effort to maintain their physical fitness? I understand that even achieving minimum standards is still enough to get by in the army, but not everyone deserves a trophy.
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