Planet Fitness, Transgenders, and changes in Army Policy

I think if all 250,000+ of us here on RP could agree on any one subject we could possible create some changes, but as long as probably 200,000+ have different opinions, well what can I say?

I used to work at planet fitness and I can tell you first hand they do not actually care about anyone past them making money.

But a similar situation happened in the gym I worked. A 16 year old who identified as a male was using the male locker room and was undressing. All the men left and one came and told us a girl was using the men’s locker room. I can understand other sides. The compromise made was that the 16 year old would be able to use one of the tanning rooms to change and then they could put their things in the male locker room.

Well, she filed a lawsuit. No surprise there.

http://danaloeschradio.com/planet-fitness-hit-with-lawsuit-over-claims-of-hostile-environment-for-wome

Yuck. Planet fitness. Isn't this so called gym supposed to be the no bully or no judgement zone?

Wait till they start pushing this to the military…and it will……..Will they just be able to decide which type ASU uniform they were, one with slacks or one with a skirt,   seems to me, it an easy fix…… if you look down and see something dangling, well the you were pants, if you look down and there is nothing there, well in the case you were the skirt.  This should have been done this way for years…….. ohhh wait it has.            I am tired of all the PC-BS and seeing us have to cater to the VERY VERY few that this effects. If the effects are they bad, request a discharge so you can dress how your mind tells you that you should be dressing. 

If you tell people they can only use the bathroom that cordienates with their biological sex then you will get all more people in the women's restroom that look like men (trans men ). So what will be stopping a regular male from walking into a women's facility and creeping on women while he clams he was born a women and he has transition.....nothing is stopping them from walking into the wrong "sexs" facility. It will only get worse if you deny trans people the right to use the facilities that corrispons with their gender

I agree with Sgt Erin Wilkins. Whatever "parts" you were born with - that's the room you use. Period. If your mental status or whatever else tells you otherwise - well life ain't fair. If you were born with a penis you are considered a "male" and will use the male's restroom, shower, changing room, barracks, etc.

Expecting businesses and taxpayers to fork over millions, if not billions of dollars to make separate rooms for all or extra rooms for transgendered is outrageous.

I really don't care if a man thinks he's a woman...but if he was born with a penis he is a male, and even if he hacks it off - he's just going to have to learn to live with that label. A line has to be drawn somewhere.

Look...As a Communist and a Democratic Liberal....I'm a woman in a mans body....I don't want transgender changing rooms....I want my ladies changing room.....plus it's a good way to get some phone numbers.....giggles

My question to the original question is why is it even a question here? That we should treat people with dignity and respect should be a given. Now, when it comes to applying civilian norms in the MILITARY is another thing. The military in it's very nature should be discriminatory and intolerant of certain proclivities and behaviors that may be accepting within regular society. Not everyone is fitting to wear the uniform and able to carry out the duties that come along with it.

I find it disturbing that people believe that they are entitled to certain rights and privilages within the military that are "normal" in the general population.

Through out history, the best military forces consisted of those who were willing to forgo most of the rights and privilages of the common people to serve to protect it. Along with it came the willingess to undergo rigourous mental and physical training in order to endure the harsh realities of combat.
We should never forget that. The military is not the place to be trying to accomodate or please everyone and fashion it to be like civic society.

Example in point, there is a Sikh business student that is fighting to join the ROTC program in his area, but does not want to comply with US military grooming standards stating it is against his religion. The military's main purpose (wether you like it or not) is for WAR. Everyone knows when they went to bootcamp that they were striped of their civilian identity and broken down to be built up as a cohesive unit. That is what makes a force strong in its basic form that sets us apart from civilian mentality. We all have to meet the same standards and to insist on having the military adapt ( mind you I did not say respect) or accomadate to your own culture and belief should not be tolerated; for it undermines military standards and culture and tradition. Which inturn affects morale and basic standard operating procedures to the lowest level. This leads to an ineffective fighting force. When you start to allow a proletariat mindset to permeate military culture and doctrine, it starts to erode the military discipline and might just like termites eat away at a foundation.
Look at how the mightiest militaries known in history ceased to be such. It all started when their military began to be fashioned to fit into the way the regular populace saw fit.

And that is my long winded two cents on that.

CPT Justin Rose PO1 Autumn Sandeen

I generally find myself not agreeing with either one of you on this topic as I feel the "It is happening, just deal with it" mentality is not really an accepting way to go about this either.

Would either of you care to weigh in on what you think an acceptable and fair solution to the integration of the forces would be?