Posted on Feb 11, 2014
Please share your experience with Joint Qualification on Active Duty or the Reserves.
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I was recently assigned to the Joint Staff, J7, in the Army Reserve. Looking into the requirements to complete Joint PME and participate in activities to get Joint Qualification makes the process seem very challenging.
For those who have questions, please share them.
For those who have answers, please offer your advice and share experiences.
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Guys are killing themselves to get Joint Qualified. This came up at my Brigade Pre-Command Course and a lot of the officers were upset that the system was so hard for Reservists. I then asked the USARC G-1 how many USAR positions were coded to require joint qualification. The answer: ZERO.
Now there is some goodness in the knowledge gained, but don't neglect your career or family to achieve this. To be fair, it will set you apart from an identical candidate, but there are many ways to do that. It is just unfortunate that they do not count DEP War College as JPME2 qualifying like they do for the Resident Course.
Now there is some goodness in the knowledge gained, but don't neglect your career or family to achieve this. To be fair, it will set you apart from an identical candidate, but there are many ways to do that. It is just unfortunate that they do not count DEP War College as JPME2 qualifying like they do for the Resident Course.
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LTC (Join to see)
Thanks for sharing, sir. I read somewhere that at least JPME1 is required for promotion to BG. One popular anecdote I hear repeatedly in my current assignment is that some officers go from O-4 to O-6 without ever leaving the Joint Staff Reserve.
You could start a good thread about the ways to distinguish oneself from the crowd in the Reserves, sir. I'm interested to hear.
You could start a good thread about the ways to distinguish oneself from the crowd in the Reserves, sir. I'm interested to hear.
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BG (Join to see)
As someone who is up for GO, I can tell you it is most definitely not required. You need War College and Brigade Command for GO. Yes, officers can go from O-4 to O-6 in staff positions, but without command time it is tough to make COL and impossible for GO.
I will think about your thread suggestion, I regularly give an OPD on the subject when visiting my battalions.
I will think about your thread suggestion, I regularly give an OPD on the subject when visiting my battalions.
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I cracked the code (at least in the National Guard). I deployed to Afghanistan in 2010 on an advisory team attached to the 82nd Airborne Division, then the 101st Airborne. I mentored an ANA engineer colonel and his staff, and interacted with coalition force personnel and other service personnel on a daily basis. We were part of ISAF. I got a Joint Service Achievement Medal early in the deployment, the NATO Medal at the end, and my OER and EOT award were written with an eye toward “jointness”. I got 27 of the 36 required points for the deployment. The balance were earned through various courses (Joint Engineer Operations Course, Joint Domestic Operations Course, Reserve Components National Security Course, and some joint correspondence courses through JKO).
The year before I did AJPME, which is about the only way a Reservist can meet the educational requirement for joint qualification.
“Joint” is what you do and with whom you do it. That being said, how you do the write-up for the self-nomination is critical. I was lucky, and a first-time “Go”.
I got Level 3, Joint Qualified Officer and the 3L ASI earlier this year. The $64,000 question now is: “So what? What can a Reservist/Guardsman who does not work in a joint activity do with it”?
Regards,
LTC Z
The year before I did AJPME, which is about the only way a Reservist can meet the educational requirement for joint qualification.
“Joint” is what you do and with whom you do it. That being said, how you do the write-up for the self-nomination is critical. I was lucky, and a first-time “Go”.
I got Level 3, Joint Qualified Officer and the 3L ASI earlier this year. The $64,000 question now is: “So what? What can a Reservist/Guardsman who does not work in a joint activity do with it”?
Regards,
LTC Z
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COL (Join to see), thank you for sharing your experience, sir. From your story and others', I've gathered that deploying (because of the "intensity factor") in a joint capacity is essentially the only way a reservist can become a JQO. My unit (Joint Staff, J7) just had a class on the JQS to the consternation of everyone in the room.
How were points calculated based on the short length of those other courses?
How were points calculated based on the short length of those other courses?
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COL (Join to see)
The JKO courses were .5 points each (4 for 2 points), JDOC was a point, RCNSC was 2 points, JEOC was a point. I also got 3 points for a NATO/PfP exercise in 2004.
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BG (Join to see)
LTC Scott Zuffanti, the short answer is that you can do nothing with it, but it does add to your resume (ORB) that boards examine. It shows that you have done the extra effort to be certified in a key area. That might be just enough to get that one more "+" you need from a board member to be selected for command or promotion.
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COL (Join to see)
Hooah BG Goddard. I understand the extra effort, and the addition to the ORB. I was sold on the whole "Joint" thing at AJPME (one of the best .mil courses I ever took). I pursued the Joint Qual/3L ASI because I think it’s an important skill set and a discriminator on Boards (I hope – I go before a DA next month). I have also tried to preach the “Joint gospel” to my fellow officers in my state, and have worked with several to help them get Joint qualified. As others in this thread have stated, it is frustrating that there isn’t more emphasis on it, and even more frustrating that AJPME school seats seem to be getting fewer and farther between.
v/r, LTC Zuffanti
v/r, LTC Zuffanti
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Ryan, I have not one, not two, but FOUR previous joint assignments (CFLCC, CENTCOM, JCSE and SOCOM). The one at SOCOM was in a NOMINATIVE, JTMD, O-5 billet serving (by exception) as an O-3, then O-4) and NONE of my submissions were accepted. I used to work for (then MG Talley) at the 84th Training Command and asked for his help in getting my qualification and it was one of the things he mentioned in a town hall that he could not help get through. The barriers for reservists are ridiculous. You need words like synchronized or whatever, but in reality it's a rank thing. No active duty peer of mine at SOCOM, CENTCOM, etc had to go through that nutroll of submitting for it. If the billet is coded as a JTMD billet on AD is it automatic, but for us it is a process. Ironically the officer who worked the submissions at HRC PCS'd to my unit and we had some laughs about it when he got there. I wish I had more to offer. If someone cracks the code I'd love to hear it.
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